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I like Nikki Thread

robocop (actually)

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Premium Member
I probably disagree with her on many issues, but I do think she seems like a pretty decent person. She is very hawkish on foreign policy issues, though, reminding me of that war-monger Bush Jr. Not inspiring.
Alright, I accept and respect that. (accept and respect your position)
 
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Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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Premium Member
She is very hawkish on foreign policy issues, though, reminding me of that war-monger Bush Jr. Not inspiring.

This. I find her an ill-principled and morally bankrupt ideologue.

Between her and Trump, I think one potentially positive but unintended outcome of another Trump term could be the weakening of the US' hegemony and chipping away at its status as a geopolitical and military leader, which could at least reduce the likelihood of other countries' readily aiding the US in its military and interventionist abuses.

On the other hand, Trump himself is an impulsive hawk, so he could be even worse in terms of foreign policy, especially if he started a war with Iran or China. Both candidates are repulsive, and the fact that the standard is now so low that Nikki Haley might seem appealing compared to Trump, or vice versa, is a sad reflection on American politics.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
What keeps surprising and dismaying me is that the Republican Party hasn't shown any significant signs of split yet.

If a significant third party ever needed a reason for splitting from the GOP, Trump is definitely that reason.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
I probably disagree with her on many issues, but I do think she seems like a pretty decent person. She is very hawkish on foreign policy issues, though, reminding me of that war-monger Bush Jr. Not inspiring.
As a Brit anxiously watching from across the pond, the key thing is she has a normal ego and is apparently a democrat (lower case). Which is to say she is not trying to subvert the institutions of the state for her own personal ends.

Trump, on the other hand. has just given another chilling warning of how he intends to do precisely that, by actually threatening to mount an "investigation" of Haley if he becomes president again, for no reason other than to scare her into abandoning her campaign. He leaves it vague as to what form this would take. It could being a Trumped up (haha) Justice Dept investigation, mounted by his hand-picked future Attorney General, or it could be one of those w**ky kangaroo courts set up by a Republican-majority Senate. Such an investigation would doubtless find nothing but it would drag on for months and the cost for Haley, both financially and in psychological terms, would be massive.

Either way, it is intimidation by subverting the institutions of the state for personal purposes. This is disgusting and a clear threat to American democracy.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
They doubled my hours, but I will try to defend my post.

She wants a strong America.
What does that even mean? Sounds like more right wing authoritarianism, to me. Something Hitler would've preached to the Germans in the 30s.

I want a kinder, more generous and fair America. And a much wiser one. One where we all look out for each other. One where there are no big winners or losers, and instead everyone gets a chance to thrive and find their way to contribute.

Which candidate is talking about that?
 
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robocop (actually)

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Premium Member
What does that even mean? Sounds like more right wing authoritarianism, to me. Something Hitler would've preached to the Germans in the 30s.

I want a kinder, more generous and fair America. And a much wiser one. One where we all look out for each other. One where there are no big winners or losers, and instead everyone gets a chance to thrive and find their way to contribute.

Which candidate is talking about that?
Trump is the one using Nazi rhetoric and trying to get total immunity so he could kill an enemy as president and get away with it.

Nikki is kind! She wants to help people and get America going in the right direction. You may not like it, but blocking Iran/Russia/China bots from the Internet and having you use your name would help American culture tremendously.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Trump is the one using Nazi rhetoric and trying to get total immunity so he could kill an enemy as president and get away with it.

Nikki is kind! She wants to help people and get America going in the right direction. You may not like it, but blocking Iran/Russia/China bots from the Internet and having you use your name would help American culture tremendously.
I have no idea what that last part is about. But it sounds like the usual right wing authoritarian fear mongering. I am far more frightened of the damage Rupert Murdoch is doing to America than I am of any Chinese or Russian bots.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Between her and Trump, I think one potentially positive but unintended outcome of another Trump term could be the weakening of the US' hegemony and chipping away at its status as a geopolitical and military leader, which could at least reduce the likelihood of other countries' readily aiding the US in its military and interventionist abuses.

On the other hand, Trump himself is an impulsive hawk, so he could be even worse in terms of foreign policy, especially if he started a war with Iran or China. Both candidates are repulsive, and the fact that the standard is now so low that Nikki Haley might seem appealing compared to Trump, or vice versa, is a sad reflection on American politics.
I suspect that the main effect of a Trump victory will be to dramatically shift the Overton window in the direction of unapologetic misogyny and xenophobia to the benefit of neofascist movements worldwide.
 

robocop (actually)

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Premium Member
I have no idea what that last part is about. But it sounds like the usual right wing authoritarian fear mongering. I am far more frightened of the damage Rupert Murdoch is doing to America than I am of any Chinese or Russian bots.
Culture is very valuable. We have real enemies on the Internet who are convincing our youth of false notions that decay it.

As for from within it helps to have competition in the media.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Culture is very valuable. We have real enemies on the Internet who are convincing our youth of false notions that decay it.

As for from within it helps to have competition in the media.
A century of industrial strength capitalist consumer advertising has poisoned our culture and our minds far, far more than any foreign propaganda ever will. And the young are more savvy about it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The people in Hell, Michigan should vote for Snowball. Because Haley's chances are worst than a Snowball's in Hell.
The conventional wisdom that no Pub has ever won
nomination without IA & NH suffers from the problem
of applying only in conventional circumstances.
This time, it's different from all prior elections.
Potential game changers....
1) He could be convicted of felonies.
2) At his age, mental & physical health are fragile.
3) His increasingly aberrant behavior could erode his base.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The conventional wisdom that no Pub has ever won
nomination without IA & NH suffers from the problem
of applying only in conventional circumstances.
This time, it's different from all prior elections.
Potential game changers....
1) He could be convicted of felonies.
2) At his age, mental & physical health are fragile.
3) His increasingly aberrant behavior could erode his base.
Planning based on maybes. Not really a sound strategy.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
A century of industrial strength capitalist consumer advertising has poisoned our culture and our minds far, far more than any foreign propaganda ever will. And the young are more savvy about it.
I disagree. I was told that 50 minutes on tic toc makes you much more on the side of Hamas. Many young people are thinking that the Holocaust didn't occur!
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
A short list:
Helps LGBTQ to not commit suicide.
Fiscally responsible.
Deals with SS problem.
Closes border.
Handles Ukraine and Israel.
Puts America in a positive trajectory without too much trouble.
Smiles and is smart.
Good for climate change.

What can Trump do that she can't, seriously?!
 
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