Trailblazer
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All the Messengers of God did that, so do you love all of them?Yes. For me, it is impossible to not love someone who gave up a comfortable life in order to find a way to end suffering for everybody.
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Trailblazer
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Yes, Baha'is believe that were one and the same so they were as one soul and the same person, although we believe they all had individual souls.
“The Bearers of the Trust of God are made manifest unto the peoples of the earth as the Exponents of a new Cause and the Revealers of a new Message. Inasmuch as these Birds of the celestial Throne are all sent down from the heaven of the Will of God, and as they all arise to proclaim His irresistible Faith, they, therefore, are regarded as one soul and the same person. For they all drink from the one Cup of the love of God, and all partake of the fruit of the same Tree of Oneness.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 50
All the Messengers of God did that, so do you love all of them?
If you mean messengers of the god of Abraham, I'm afraid I can't say I love them.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I don't love them either, I just believe they exist, just as I believe that the Messengers of all the religions exist.
Ok, thank you. That is what I also thought. And to me, it sounds the same as non existence, which basically is the same as what happens to a person who is thrown to hell in Bible.
No, not non-existence. Not at all the same. Existence in a way, quite honestly, we can’t comprehend. We return to our true nature, which is existence itself, and we understand it. We are “aware”. Biblical Hell is a place of punishment and torment for sinners. Remember, the Dharmic religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism) don’t believe in sin the way Christianity does. We don’t believe in divine judgement or punishment.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I love Buddha
Do you love Buddha?
I think he is ok as a religious philosopher even though he is wrong about suffering.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
What do you think he was wrong about? How do you view suffering?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe he could be reincarnated but not as Buddha.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe if one wishes to live in an evil world it is necessary to suffer.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I don't think anyone wants to live in an evil world, but since humans have free will, what choice do we have but to live in an evil world?
All suffering that humans endure is not because of evil choices that humans make. Much of human suffering is because we live in physical bodies in a material world where suffering is unavoidable. God is fully responsible for this kind of suffering since God created the material world and made humans mortal.
That’s interesting... that’s a very Christian view, especially Catholic. I had no idea it’s a Baha’i view. I’m not criticizing, just making an observation. As a Hindu I long ago abandoned the idea that God takes that much control. I really never did believe, even as a Catholic, that “it’s God’s will” when children die, when there’s a disaster and people die, and so on. We (Hindus) blame everything on karma and māyā.
I defer to these to explain further.
Problem of evil - Wikipedia
Problem of evil in Hinduism - Wikipedia
A snippet:
Personally I like this particular point: ”interprets the same verse in the context of Vishnu, and asserts that Vishnu only creates potentialities. This is somewhat deistic. Though as Preserver, He intervenes to keep the balance. And while He may not intervene, the Srimad Bhagavatam aka Bhagavata Purāna says not a blade of grass moves without His knowledge. My standard disclaimer is that these are Vaishnava beliefs. Shaiva and Shakta beliefs may vary.
Trailblazer
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This is not a Baha'i view, it is a Trailblazer view.
I don't know any other Baha'is who would blame God for suffering simply because God created a world where humans would suffer, yet this is the only logical conclusion I can come to.
So you Hindus blame everything on karma and māyā, and most Baha'is blame everything on human free will decisions to do evil instead of good, which is kind of like karma coming back to hit you in the face. I blame some of suffering on human free will decisions, but clearly much of suffering is related to fate and predestination, and guess who is in charge of that?
It kind of goes like this:“Some things are subject to the free will of man, such as justice, equity, tyranny and injustice, in other words, good and evil actions; it is evident and clear that these actions are, for the most part, left to the will of man. But there are certain things to which man is forced and compelled, such as sleep, death, sickness, decline of power, injuries and misfortunes; these are not subject to the will of man, and he is not responsible for them, for he is compelled to endure them. But in the choice of good and bad actions he is free, and he commits them according to his own will.” Some Answered Questions, p. 248
Man is forced to endure them because God set it up that way since we live in a material world where some of the bad things happen are beyond our control.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
What if your soul/spirit is the reason you become born in this physical world? And it is not Gods "fault" ?
This is not a Baha'i view, it is a Trailblazer view.
I don't know any other Baha'is who would blame God for suffering simply because God created a world where humans would suffer, yet this is the only logical conclusion I can come to.
Ok, gotcha.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Our soul/spirit is the reason we are born in this physical world since it is the soul that animates the body and allows the body to exist...
People came into existence because their mother and father chose to have a baby, they did not have a choice..
Maybe some people thank their parents or God for that existence but some people wish they had never existed.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
ajay0
Well-Known Member
I love Buddha
Do you love Buddha?
It's good that you love and revere the Buddha. By appreciation of his virtues, you make them your own as well or strengthen them within you.
Buddha emphasized that the auspicious Buddha nature is within everyone, and when manifested, brings the cessation of psychological suffering .