I Love Every Prophet

[jasonparker]

some people makes separation between Proohets... this is not logical... every Prophet was send by God. for example, i read about Jesus and this made ny love to Him much more http://www.jesuswillreturn.com

 

[_salam_]

Yeah I know what you mean. Right now I'm taking this religion class at school that is a study of the Torah, New Testament, and the Qur'an. What I've come to realize is how much alike each Prophets message was and how many similaritys there are between all of them. This of course is the teaching of Islam, however I never really saw it in writting before. This has only strengthend my faith and made me love and respect all the Prophets (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all) that much more.

 

[true blood]

Question: New Testament teaches that the Lord Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life and that no man comes unto the Father [Allah] but by him [Jesus Christ]. Now do you agree with this? What does the Torah and Qur'an teach regarding this?

 

[_salam_]

Question: New Testament teaches that the Lord Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life and that no man comes unto the Father [Allah] but by him [Jesus Christ]. Now do you agree with this? What does the Torah and Qur'an teach regarding this?

Well I would have to say yes and no. From my experience it seems that most, if not all, Christians take this verse to mean that nobody can attain salvation with out believing in Jesus (pbuh) as the Son of God. In this case I would have to say no I don't agree with this. However, I believe that this verse is talking about the example that Jesus (pbuh) set for us as being the way to God, or to salvation, not the actual man Jesus (pbuh). That if we live our lives according to what Jesus, and all the other Prophets taught (peace be upon them all), we will attain salvation. This teaching being the complete submission to the will of God, or as Christians often say "May God's will in Heaven be done on earth" or something to that effect. So in this sense (and this is the Muslim belief) all the Prophets taught the same message, or religion if you will, and that religion would be the complete submission to the will of God, or Islam because this is the litteral translation of Islam into english. So in a sense all the Prophets were actually Muslim.

 

[Ardhanariswar]

thats nice. i dont see whats the difference since as a christian you should love everyone no matter what. or muslim. do muslims believe in unconditional love?

 

[_salam_]

Yep, and forgiveness too.

 

[Ardhanariswar]

awww, thats soo sweet!

ive learnt in religion last year that there are differences between love. like theres unconditional, then narsassitic, then agape, then Godly gracish love.

i think its quite possible to love God in an agape (husband/wife/lover) way. ode to the famous Mira Bai.

 

[Peace]

Question: New Testament teaches that the Lord Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life and that no man comes unto the Father [Allah] but by him [Jesus Christ]. Now do you agree with this? What does the Torah and Qur'an teach regarding this?

Peace be with you,

We Muslims believe in all prophets of God: Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Jacob, Ishmael, Isaac, Lot, David, Solomon, Jonah, Joseph... Peace be upon them all. But we do believe that Muhammad peace be upon him is the last and final prophet of Allah.
We Muslims believe that Jesus peace be upon him is a Prophet of God and not His son, Allah forbids. Allah has no son or associate. Allah doesn't have human characteristics. If Allah has a son then He has a nature like us. Can you really believe that the One who deserves to be obeyed and worshipped should have human characteristics? Allah is above all that, He doesn't need a son or a wife. No one is like Him and He is like no one, He hasn't begotten nor Has he begotten. All praise and thanks are to Him the All-Merciful!
Muhammad is the last Prophet of God who was sent to all humanity. All humans who heard about him and about Islam, should believe in Him and should follow Him.
Prophet Jesus peace be upon him did talk about Prophet's Muhammad's coming as the last Prophet of God.

Ready for other questions, you are welcome!!

Salam,
Peace

 

[DawudTalut]

Yeah I know what you mean. Right now I'm taking this religion class at school that is a study of the Torah, New Testament, and the Qur'an. What I've come to realize is how much alike each Prophets message was and how many similaritys there are between all of them. This of course is the teaching of Islam, however I never really saw it in writting before. This has only strengthend my faith and made me love and respect all the Prophets (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all) that much more.

Peace be on you.
[Holy Quran chapt 2: verse 137]Say ye: ‘We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob and his children, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to all other Prophets from their Lord. We make no difference between any of them; and to Him we submit ourselves.’
Reference: alislam.org/quran

 

[Sees]

Ever wondered why the Qur'an mentions prophets being sent to all peoples of the earth but only mentions a few from the same region it came from?

Things to think about...

What about the ancient cultures in the rest of the world?

The Arabs didn't know about them but you would think Allah would.

Red flag number one for open minded people

 

[DawudTalut]

Ever wondered why the Qur'an mentions prophets being sent to all peoples of the earth but only mentions a few from the same region it came from?

Things to think about...

What about the ancient cultures in the rest of the world?

The Arabs didn't know about them but you would think Allah would.

Red flag number one for open minded people

Peace be on you.

[ch13 : v 8] "....... And there is a Guide for every people."
[ch 35 : v 25] "Verily, We have sent thee with the truth, as a bearer of glad tidings and as a Warner; and there is no people to whom a Warner has not been sent."
Tradition says 1,24,000 Prophets and Messengers were sent, Holy Quran mentions few as it is not Book of history, its stress is to draw lessons. It mentions evolution of religion. The completion of evolution was Islam as it tells. It is no red flag, it is wisdom.

 

[YmirGF]

Well, to be fair, Muslims aren't too keen on The Báb, Bahá'u'lláh or Joseph Smith.

 

[Sees]

Peace be on you.

[ch13 : v 8] "....... And there is a Guide for every people."
[ch 35 : v 25] "Verily, We have sent thee with the truth, as a bearer of glad tidings and as a Warner; and there is no people to whom a Warner has not been sent."
Tradition says 1,24,000 Prophets and Messengers were sent, Holy Quran mentions few as it is not Book of history, its stress is to draw lessons. It mentions evolution of religion. The completion of evolution was Islam as it tells. It is no red flag, it is wisdom.

Not odd that it fails to mention any that Arabs would have never heard of? I would expect a name or perhaps a story or two. Seems blatantly obvious the reason it's not there

What about the Qur'an quoting late commentary of a rabbi as scripture when it is no where to be found in the Tanakh?

Allah would have known better, but again... Not the Arabs, same as they only knew the names of Middle Eastern prophets.

These are huge red flags to critical thinking non-Muslims

 

[FearGod]

Ever wondered why the Qur'an mentions prophets being sent to all peoples of the earth but only mentions a few from the same region it came from?

Things to think about...

What about the ancient cultures in the rest of the world?

The Arabs didn't know about them but you would think Allah would.

Red flag number one for open minded people

What it'll be useful for if the quran had mentioned names which we don't know and even some names indeed mentioned is unknown and to mention all of the prophet names will be useless and even ridiculous.

But we can note that the message of Islam had spread rapidly in a very short period of time to the far east China, Indonesia, Malaysia to the far west in Spain.

Also God won't judge unfairly and it is the person deeds that matter.

And for all there will be ranks from what they do, that He may pay them for their deeds; and they will not be wronged. (46:19)

 

[Sees]

Outside of parts of Jewish religion, early Greek science, some laws he thought would be good and some repetition of fear, obey, the All Knowing, All Merciful.... what revelations or hints of inspiration is there?

To me personally it seems to be a rather obvious sham. The convenient personal messages from Allah to Muhammad being another big red flag.

 

[sojourner]

Well I would have to say yes and no. From my experience it seems that most, if not all, Christians take this verse to mean that nobody can attain salvation with out believing in Jesus (pbuh) as the Son of God. In this case I would have to say no I don't agree with this. However, I believe that this verse is talking about the example that Jesus (pbuh) set for us as being the way to God, or to salvation, not the actual man Jesus (pbuh). That if we live our lives according to what Jesus, and all the other Prophets taught (peace be upon them all), we will attain salvation. This teaching being the complete submission to the will of God, or as Christians often say "May God's will in Heaven be done on earth" or something to that effect. So in this sense (and this is the Muslim belief) all the Prophets taught the same message, or religion if you will, and that religion would be the complete submission to the will of God, or Islam because this is the litteral translation of Islam into english. So in a sense all the Prophets were actually Muslim.

That's not true, though. If you read the entire passage, Jesus says he is going away. Thomas says, "how can we follow you if we don't know the way?" Jesus then says, "I am the way..." It clearly is in reference to, not only a knowledge of -- but a relationship with -- Jesus.

Francis Maloney, in his exegesis of John in Sacra Pagina, says, "...a request for further instruction on 'the way' (ten hodon) is justifiable, and it opens the possibility for Jesus' self-revelation as 'the way.' He is the way to the Father..." (pp. 394,395)

Since he also goes on to say, in response to the request to "show us the Father," "Those who have seen me have seen the Father." This goes way beyond merely "providing an example to follow." It really is compelling that it is not following the example, but the relationship with Jesus that is revelatory and efficacious.

 

[DawudTalut]

Not odd that it fails to mention any that Arabs would have never heard of? I would expect a name or perhaps a story or two. Seems blatantly obvious the reason it's not there

What about the Qur'an quoting late commentary of a rabbi as scripture when it is no where to be found in the Tanakh?

Allah would have known better, but again... Not the Arabs, same as they only knew the names of Middle Eastern prophets.

These are huge red flags to critical thinking non-Muslims

Peace be on you….There are many points which show the need of Holy Quran.
1-Holy Quran contains essentials of all previous Divine teachings and also new teachings. Some previous teachings were not needed, some were forgotten with passage of time.

2-There are certain thing which are prohibited in Torah for eating [e.g. camel and rabitt Leviticus ch 11 : v 4 and v 6. One may say camel is permitted as it seems an Arab-case then why rabitt?] but they are not prohibited in Quran.

3-Holy Quran tells the wisdom of commandments too.

4-Unlike other Books, it’s revelation was continuously saved in writing and in memories right from the beginning for 23 years.

5-Holy Quran caused the development of new knowledge. When believers knew about various Prophets, they learned about history of Prophets……When Quran was taken outside Arabia, knowledge of syntax of its language was developed, its lexicon was made and many more related knowledge were developed.

6-A whole system of economics is presented in Holy Quran uniquely.

7-Holy Quran stresses upon learning and pondering at law of nature to support remembrance of Maker.

8-Holy Quran mentions more than 100 holy attributes of God. This alone is enough to show its originality and excellence because attributes of God is throne of God which channel all physical and spiritual knowledge including the love between God and human.

9-The Unity of God is presented in Holy Quran in unmatchable way, similarly understanding about aspects of Prophethood are described in depth. For example, what is a Prophet? When do they are sent? How they are treated? What are the standards of their truth? How does the revelation come? What are angels, their duties, their relation with human? What is in depth description about life after death? What are morals? Difference between morals and spirituality? How to make spiritual connection with God? How to remember God?

10-Arabic word system carry various meanings of words, it makes the best vehicle to explains deep and wide meanings of spiritual perfect Book.

11-Holy Quran has mentioned the purity of Prophets contrary to Bible.

12-It predicted scientific and other discoveries which are coming true now [e.g. Pharaoh dead body recovered. and even some yet to happen [e.g., life in space.… Some other fulfilled prophecies of Holy Quran.

13-It is essential to believe in all Prophets.

14-According to Ahmadiyya Muslims’ understanding, Krishna, Ramchander, Buddha, Confucius, Socrates, Zoroaster were also Prophets of their times and like all Prophets they taught Unity of God.

15- World population was not much in old times. Thus Holy Quran mentioned about those Prophets which were necessary for its purpose of giving guidance. The stories in Holy Quran are for advice, guidance and prophecy. In terms of previous Prophets Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) was being informed that he will have same experience and he should trust that he will be successful.

Name of Prophet in Quran --- Name of Prophet in Bible
Adam ---- Adam
Idris ----- Enoch
Nooh ---- Noah
Hood ---- ?????
Ibrahim—-Abraham
Loot ----- Lot
Saleh ---- Saleh
Ismael –- Ishmael
Ishaq ---- Issaq
Yaqoob – Jacob
Yousaf ---Joseph
Musa ---- Moses
Haroon – Aaron
Shuaib –-?????
Da’ood – David
Sulaiman-Solomon
Elijah ---- Eliah
Al Yasa’a--Elisha
Younas – Jonah
Ayub –-- Job
Uzair –--- Ezra
Zakaria – Zechariah
Esa ------ Jesus
Yahya –-- John The Baptist
Muhammad -- http://www.alislam.org/books/in-bible/ and https://www.alislam.org/library/links/Biblical_prophecy.html

[4:164] Surely, We have sent revelation to thee, as We sent revelation to Noah and the Prophets after him; and We sent revelation to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and his children and to Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and We gave David a Book.
[4:165] And We sent some Messengers whom We have already mentioned to thee and some Messengers whom We have not mentioned to thee — and Allah spoke to Moses particularly —
[4:166] Messengers, bearers of glad tidings and warners, so that people may have no plea against Allah after the coming of the Messengers. And Allah is Mighty, Wise.

16-Holy Quran

17-Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) and Holy Quran are not for Arabs only they are for all humanity:
[7:159] Say, ‘O mankind! truly I am a Messenger to you all from Allah to Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. There is no God but He. He gives life, and He causes death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Prophet, the Immaculate one, who believes in Allah and His words; and follow him that you may be rightly guided.’

Good wishes.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Who Necroposted?

Back on topic though

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I find omnism to be a great blunder in the religious syncretism movement. One cannot simply accept all religions or prophets since they all conflict on theological basics.

As someone else pointed out..

Ever wondered why the Qur'an mentions prophets being sent to all peoples of the earth but only mentions a few from the same region it came from?

Things to think about...

It just does not hold up to scrutiny

 

[sojourner]

Who Necroposted?

Back on topic though

.......

I find omnism to be a great blunder in the religious syncretism movement. One cannot simply accept all religions or prophets since they all conflict on theological basics.

As someone else pointed out..


It just does not hold up to scrutiny

Correct. We have to realize that the systems of belief are just that, and not Deity, itself. Different systems stress different things and present conflicting POVs, even if one takes the view that God is God called by different names according to the religion.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Correct. We have to realize that the systems of belief are just that, and not Deity, itself. Different systems stress different things and present conflicting POVs, even if one takes the view that God is God called by different names according to the religion.

Hallelujah to that . I could not agree anymore with what you said as it speaks unfathomable amount of truths despite being no more than 2 sentences long