I love my RELIGION ISLAM

[aymen amir]

frankly am starting to thread for every one to write about why he/she loves their religion and why they are not willing to change their religion. And we can then debate about different ups and downs of each religion from different point of views.



Since its my thread i will go first .... I really love my religion because every aspect of it makes sense to me and the more i learn about it the more i get attached to it .. although i might not fully understand the purpose of every law in Islam , but i have my faith which makes it easier cause i know that All that comes from Allah is for my benefit.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

frankly am starting to thread for every one to write about why he/she loves their religion and why they are not willing to change their religion.

I don't really have a religion, but in terms of my beliefs, I don't love them. I try my best to be ready to throw any of them away if I find something better.

 

[gnostic]

If you love Islam, then good for you.

As long as you're happy and don't try to impose your belief upon others, then I have nothing to say against you.

To me, love is too strong a word.

I'm agnostic. I don't love agnosticism, but I don't hate it too. It is just philosophical position with regards to the existence of deity/deities. But at this time, I'm satisfied to remain with this stance. It is not all of me (self); I'm more than just an agnostic. I'm a person with more than just one characteristic or a person with more than just one view.

 

[arthra]

"...(a) thread for every one to write about why he/she loves their religion and why they are not willing to change their religion.."

I've been a Bahah'i for quite awhile and experienced searching a variety or religions. In a way by being a Baha'i I still have what I consider to be some of the best aspects of the former religions. So it's not really a matter of "not willing to change (my) religion."

I believe that acceptance of the Manifestations or Messengers of God is essential to be a Baha'i.

Our attitude about the future of humanity is very positive and our desire for a peaceful united world has been a Baha'i watchword from the late nineteenth century.

I'm not challenging anyone here nor do I think debate is necessarily a good way to discover truth...rather sharing and consulting.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I don't know if I love my "religion"

 

[TooRiel]

frankly am starting to thread for every one to write about why he/she loves their religion and why they are not willing to change their religion. And we can then debate about different ups and downs of each religion from different point of views.



Since its my thread i will go first .... I really love my religion because every aspect of it makes sense to me and the more i learn about it the more i get attached to it .. although i might not fully understand the purpose of every law in Islam , but i have my faith which makes it easier cause i know that All that comes from Allah is for my benefit.

You know what's really cool... the scientifically verifiable fact that people like you are indeed happier and healthier and more successful because of their beliefs. Almost as if faith were an important part of being Human.

I envy you for that.

 

[Twig pentagram]

I love my religion because I Am the essence of my religion.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

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But, why the people of that time didn't have any problem with that?

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I love my belief because it allows for all religions to coexist. Because I feel all religions are regional and cultural perceptions of the same truth, I can respect the beliefs of any and all human beings.

 

[funnerizer]

*edit*

But, why the people of that time didn't have any problem with that?

Because the culture Muhammad lived in didn't care about the well being of women or children. Neither did Muhammad.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Because the culture Muhammad lived in didn't care about the well being of women or children. Neither did Muhammad.

Child marriages such as this were relatively common in Bedouin societies at the time, and remain common in some societies even today.[15] British scholar Colin Turner suggests that such marriages were not seen as improper in historical context, and that individuals in such societies matured at an earlier age than in the modern West.

Aisha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neither did Muhammad.

But why Aishah was happy with Muhammad, and loved Him all her life?
Why is it wrong to get marry at that age?

 

[funnerizer]

Child marriages such as this were relatively common in Bedouin societies at the time, and remain common in some societies even today.[15] British scholar Colin Turner suggests that such marriages were not seen as improper in historical context, and that individuals in such societies matured at an earlier age than in the modern West.

But why Aishah was happy with Muhammad, and loved Him all her life?
Why is it wrong to get marry at that age?

He didn't just marry her (which he did when she was 6), he had sex with her (when she was 9).

Lots of things civilized people agree are wrong were not "seen as improper in historical context". Can we not condemn virgin-sacrificers?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

It's wrong because a child is incapable of the sort of informed consent that is necessary to consent to marriages.

It was common and considered acceptable back when women were seen as near-property and consent of the woman was generally considered irrelevant.

Ok, I agree that if women are considered property and their consent was not considered, it is wrong.
but how do we know this was the case about Aishah and Muhammad.
I mean, in their case, and at that time, what evidences are there that Aishah was reluctant to marry Him, or she was not mature yet. Appearantly women at that time and place became mature earlier than now.
Also, how do we know that if Ayishah could have been more happy and succesful in her life and had better opportunities at that time, had she not married Muhammad?

 

[funnerizer]

Ok, I agree that if women are considered property and their consent was not considered, it is wrong.
but how do we know this was the case about Aishah and Muhammad.
I mean, in their case, and at that time, what evidences are there that Aishah was reluctant to marry Him, or she was not mature yet. Appearantly women at that time and place became mature earlier than now.
Also, how do we know that if Ayishah could have been more happy and succesful in her life and had better opportunities at that time, had she not married Muhammad?

This is the excuse that modern pedophiles use--no really, she wanted it! She's mature for her age! She's OK now, so what harm did I do?

In the case of Jerry Sandusky everyone sees through these rationalizations. When it's a *edit* all of a sudden sex with a 9-year-old is a beautiful and mutually beneficial act.

According to the same Wikipedia article you cited, she was still playing with dolls when Muhammad had sex with her.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

This is the excuse that modern pedophiles use--no really, she wanted it! She's mature for her age! She's OK now, so what harm did I do?

In the case of Jerry Sandusky everyone sees through these rationalizations. When it's a *edit* all of a sudden sex with a 9-year-old is a beautiful and mutually beneficial act.

According to the same Wikipedia article you cited, she was still playing with dolls when Muhammad had sex with her.

Well, even nowadays mature people play with video games too. So, that's not the point.
The point is, how do we determine if something is wrong.

I would say, if somebody is hurt, spiritually or physically, then that action is blameworthy.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

He didn't just marry her (which he did when she was 6), he had sex with her (when she was 9).

There is no evidence that she was not mature enough for marriage.

Lots of things civilized people agree are wrong were not "seen as improper in historical context". Can we not condemn virgin-sacrificers?

Marriage is not in comparison with virgin-sacrifice.
Virgin-sacrifice is always wrong.
For example, is it ok if a person only drink milk and nothing else?
It is, if that person is just born. So, in its own time somethings are ok, and fine to practice.
The point is to determine if somebody is getting harm, or treated unfairly.

Do all Bahá'is think it's a-OK to have sex with 9-year-olds, or is that a personal preference of yours?

Baha'i faith laws came for the new age, so, it is not permitted to marry at age of 9. But, our scripture explains, laws are in accordance with requirement of Age.
In older Age it was ok.

 

[funnerizer]

Well, even nowadays mature people play with video games too. So, that's not the point.
The point is, how do we determine if something is wrong.

I would say, if somebody is hurt, spiritually or physically, then that action is blameworthy.

How do you determine which 9-year-olds it's OK to have sex with? Are there certain sexual positions that mitigate the harm to 9-year-olds?

 

[Kerr]

I dont love my beliefs. They are just what makes sense to me.

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If you are going to discuss that, please do everyone a favor and start a new thread. This has literally no relevance to the topic at hand.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

frankly am starting to thread for every one to write about why he/she loves their religion and why they are not willing to change their religion. And we can then debate about different ups and downs of each religion from different point of views.

I love my religion for the following reasons:

1. Its teaching are for the Age we are living.
2. It fulfilled the prophecies of all previous religions.
3. It has logical answer for all questions.
4. It has answer to problems and questions that rises regarding other religions.
5. Its main purpose is to unite mankind.
6. It has clear and verifiable proofs and history.
7. It has no sects and denomination (even they tried, but never succeeded)
8. It has no clergy.
9. It has enough evidence for convincing anyone who wants to believe.
10. It does not accept superstitious.
11. It does not contradict science and logic.

 

[aymen amir]

How do you determine which 9-year-olds it's OK to have sex with? Are there certain sexual positions that mitigate the harm to 9-year-olds?

i have this discussed this issue on this website to the point of boredom, so please start another thread and i will gladly answer all your questions