I now think less of Christianity

[sooda]

Sounds like the false prophet Paul, who apparently heard of the gospel of the kingdom of heaven, and yet went out and preached his antithetical gospel of grace/cross.

What does your church actually believe in?

 

[Kenny]

Same answer. Does the message of Jesus Christ affect what those people do? If so, is it for the better? That's how I judge religions - by the kind of people they generate.. The words in the book don't matter except to the extent that they change lives.

Then there are enough changes lives to give Christianity merit.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Well, I'm not a secular humanist, but their criticism of scripture is on point and undeniable.

Sure, it's deniable! It's misinterpreted, and misunderstood.
"God is love" 1 John 4:8. Is that a contradiction? (Only when the Scriptures are misunderstood.)

 

[sooda]

Sure, it's deniable! It's misinterpreted, and misunderstood.
"God is love" 1 John 4:8. Is that a contradiction? (Only when the Scriptures are misunderstood.)

Did you read it? He destroyed everyone on the planet because his "creation" wasn't perfect.

 

[2ndpillar]

Did you read it? He destroyed everyone on the planet because his "creation" wasn't perfect.

You kind of missed the lesson. The "wicked" were destroyed, and the righteous were spared. It will happen again, but with fire instead of water. The "wicked", the sinners, who feel they are saved, will again face the wrath of God (Revelation 14:10). One learns from history, or they repeat it. As from your perspective, did God "destroy everyone on the planet" or was it Allah? What is the purpose of Mohammad's Mahdi, and is he supposed to arrive/manifest along with "Jesus"?

 

[2ndpillar]

What does your church actually believe in?

It is what I believe that is at issue. I believe that "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14) have already been deceived, and carry the mark of the beast. Except for those written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, "all who dwell on the earth" will worship the "beast" (Revelation 13:8). The following "another beast", of Revelation 13:11, is the 7th head of the beast, the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine, who instituted your Roman mother church (Revelation 13:11-12). One either "comes out of her" (Revelation 18:4), or acquires her plagues. That is why health care is such an issue, the "many" carry the "plagues" of Babylon.

 

[sooda]

It is what I believe that is at issue. I believe that "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14) have already been deceived, and carry the mark of the beast. Except for those written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, "all who dwell on the earth" will worship the "beast" (Revelation 13:8). The following "another beast", of Revelation 13:11, is the 7th head of the beast, the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine, who instituted your Roman mother church (Revelation 13:11-12). One either "comes out of her" (Revelation 18:4), or acquires her plagues. That is why health care is such an issue, the "many" carry the "plagues" of Babylon.

Good grief.. The mark of the beast was about those Jews who wouldn't celebrate Caesar's birthday and worship him to get a certificate that allowed them to buy and sell. The mark of the beast was the image of Caesar on Roman coin.

You are try to imbue mystical nonsense to what was a real problem for Jews who chaffed under the Roman occupation.

 

[2ndpillar]

Good grief.. The mark of the beast was about those Jews who wouldn't celebrate Caesar's birthday and worship him to get a certificate that allowed them to buy and sell. The mark of the beast was the image of Caesar on Roman coin.

You are try to imbue mystical nonsense to what was a real problem for Jews who chaffed under the Roman occupation.

The "mark of the beast", is with respect to the "beast with two horns like a lamb", who was "another beast" (Revelation 13:11-12) who was to follow the "beast"/Caesar and his 10 horns (Daniel 7:24), and who was Constantine, not Caesar. Constantine had his own coins with the image of Constantine and Sol Invictus (dragon), the sun god. The blue laws, set up by Constantine in 321 AD are still in affect today in many parts of the world, including parts of the U.S., and applies to every one. It is simply the Jews that refused to conform to Constantine's law, and they kept the Law of God, apart from not being able to buy or sell on the day of the sun god, Sol Invictus. The "Christians" happily conform to the decree of Constantine, and bear the mark/image of the beast, built up with the testimony of the false prophet and his false gospel of the cross/grace. There are many false prophets (Matthew 7:15), but you seem to be attracted to all of them, and their benefactor, the dragon, the devil, the fallen angel (angel of light). Those deceived are those "who dwell on the earth", which is not limited to Jews. (Revelation 13:14). The Roman's ruled the known world, not just the Jews.

 

[nPeace]

Sure, it's deniable! It's misinterpreted, and misunderstood.
"God is love" 1 John 4:8. Is that a contradiction? (Only when the Scriptures are misunderstood.)

Um bro, could you say that again, just for emphasis...
Not only is it deniable. It's outright biased and opinionated atheistic views.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Did you read it? He destroyed everyone on the planet because his "creation" wasn't perfect.

Yep, like I said: "misunderstood".
Because when the import of Genesis 6:1-4 is grasped, one can more clearly understand the drastic measures Jehovah God took, in even killing the animals.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

You kind of missed the lesson. The "wicked" were destroyed

And it never occurs to anyone that it's propaganda to justify immoral acts? Pay attention and every group on the planet eats their kids or whatever according to the next group over.

It will happen again, but with fire instead of water.

So God is so hateful that He'll just switch weapons so He can keep killing? How does fire make it better?

The "wicked", the sinners, who feel they are saved, will again face the wrath of God (Revelation 14:10).

But everyone is supposedly a sinner, so I guess that means it sucks for 100% of us, right?

 

[nPeace]

Yep, like I said: "misunderstood".
Because when the import of Genesis 6:1-4 is grasped, one can more clearly understand the drastic measures Jehovah God took, in even killing the animals.

Humanist don't care about understanding the Bible. They have one goal.

Attack God.
What I don't get, is why they hide behind the label "Christian".
Do some feel that keeping a "Christian" label will serve them well, as a "just in case" card?

We know that no true Christian attacks God and the Bible, and at that, in everything they say, but apparently they are still "closet Atheists".
Can you imagine! Atheist are afraid of saying they don't believe in "an imaginary God", because they fear "the loss of community", yet they would accept being accused of believing in an "imaginary God", and a "fairytale book".
Can you imagine, bro? I find that hard to believe. What about you?

I was floored reading this - Atheists open up: What they want you to know - CNN
I think it's just bogus, and a lame attempt of Atheist 'preaching'.
They might fool others, but they don't fool me. For certain they don't fool the almighty. So they might as well prepare to face their worst fear, imo... and stop hiding in the closet.

What do they think, that will save them?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

We know that no true Christian attacks God and the Bible

We can attack what we consider to be immoral, and a book can't be attacked anyway. It's an inanimate object and idolatry is a sin.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

What do they think, that will save them [atheists]?

That's a good question.
Either they change now, due to some catastrophe in their lives... but personally, I feel it will have to be at their resurrection.

When the Resurrection occurs, which we know will be after this world's influence is gone along w/ Satan, no longer will there be misleading influences. Then, they'll know reality, and can make informed decisions without the obfuscation that exists today.
I believe Jehovah is more loving and understanding than even most of us (JW's) realize!

 

[nPeace]

We can attack what we consider to be immoral, and a book can't be attacked anyway. It's an inanimate object and idolatry is a sin.

If the Bible cannot be attacked, then the people who speak of an attack on the constitution, must not know what they are saying.
Jehovah's Witnesses BROADCASTING

 

[nPeace]

That's a good question.
Either they change now, due to some catastrophe in their lives... but personally, I feel it will have to be at their resurrection.

When the Resurrection occurs, which we know will be after this world's influence is gone along w/ Satan, no longer will there be misleading influences. Then, they'll know reality, and can make informed decisions without the obfuscation that exists today.
I believe Jehovah is more loving and understanding than even most of us (JW's) realize!

Truly his love well surpasses our comprehension.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

As I never said anything about other Christians as going to hell.
Wherever did you get that from.

I don't know where he got that from, but I get that from Jesus.
Jesus was talking about those who would become Christians would also go to hell.
Not go to some religious-myth hell fire teaching but to the Bible's hell, mankind's grave.
So, it is just as dead Jesus went to hell the day he died according to Luke at Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
The Bible's hell is simply mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead.
So, ' sleep in death ' is what Jesus and the OT teach.
- John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
If biblical hell was a permanent place then Jesus would still be in hell.
When KJV translated the word Gehenna into English as hell fire that put the flames in biblical hell.
Gehenna was just a garbage pit where things were destroyed forever and Not kept burning forever.
Thus ' Gehenna ' is a fitting word for destruction, or as Psalms 92:7 the wicked will be destroyed forever.
We are all given just two (2) choices at 2 Peter 3:9.
Either we ' repent ' or we will ' perish ' ( meaning Not burn, but perish forever as in destruction )

 

[URAVIP2ME]

One doesn't deserve to be called "evil" because they reject Christ. Everyone deserves to be called evil, period. It's only because of Christ's sacrifice that some aren't receiving exactly what we all deserve; we're wicked from childhood. We're the darkness in this world and despite this reality, Christ loved and loves us.

I find at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 it speaks about the righteous and unrighteous, the just and unjust.
So, to me it is more that we fall into the category of being ' unrighteous' rather than evil.
In other words, our leanings are toward wrongdoing, thus we need to work at being righteous.
When Jesus comes he will separate people as per Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
Jesus judges the humble ' sheep ' as righteous at this time although still in an imperfect state.
As far as those judged as haughty ' goats ' they are classed as wicked.
It is only the wicked who will be destroyed forever as per Psalms 92:7

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Did you read it? He destroyed everyone on the planet because his "creation" wasn't perfect.

But, I find in Genesis God's creation was perfect.
No one was forced to worship God.
ALL are given free-will choices to make.
Jesus was referring to Psalms 37:9-11 when he said the meek will inherit the Earth.
Planet Earth would have to be here in order for the humble meek people to inherit the Earth.
So, to me it is No wonder that Ecclesiastes 1:4 B says the Earth abides forever.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Why do I now think less of Christianity?

Basically, because I have now witnessed its dark side, first hand.

Some background: I was raised as a Christian. I was baptised as an infant and have a set of godparents, I went to a church school, and occasionally went to Sunday school. My personal moral system is very much inspired by the teachings and example of Christ.

You know, I don't care how you feel about Christians. I'm gonna stop you right here.

You weren't raised Christian. You were raised in a church. Just as I was raised in a church, being the son of a priest. Jesus makes it clear that none of this matters.

And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

What makes you a Christian? Experiencing the love of Christ in your life. Let's see if that's you.

Some background: I was raised as a Christian. I was baptised as an infant and have a set of godparents, I went to a church school, and occasionally went to Sunday school. My personal moral system is very much inspired by the teachings and example of Christ.

My personal moral system is very much inspired by the teachings and example of Christ.

moral system

You're a Jew.

Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

Jews believe in salvation through righteousness, through following moral codes. The Christians?

22 Bible verses about The Curse Of The Law

They believe in decency, yes. But you don't get any point for following laws. You don't get any "I wasn't a total a-hole" points. In fact they go as far as to call the law a "curse."

Now, if I sound unsympathetic, it's because I've heard this story. And I've lived this story. But I realized that these people who hurt me, were no better or worse than any other flawed people in this world. That Christianity is not about being law-abiding. It's a flawed people's club. It's for people who were bratty teenagers and even terrible adults. For drunks, pimps and whores, people who murdered their wife because they found out they were cheating.

Now I'm sorry you... (finally reads the post) yeah **** the other forum members but they aren't even members of your church, but frankly I don't care. I've been through the same path (agnosticism not getting called an anti-Christ) only to realize later how I was hurting the ones nearest and dearest to me with my petulant behavior. Morals don't matter, it's how you treat people. The church is described as a body of Christ, so the point is to be around a church that feels that. If we really understand the whole Brahma soul thing, we have to understand the God even in people who give us grief.