i saw an equation in my dreams lastnight! opinions?

[Curious George]

So if a system is equal to the concept of that equality means that they are the SAME. Which means you CAN say equal to, without saying NO difference.
You CANT say that: ' no difference' 'is the same...as saying...the same.
We are all humans, and we are all different, yet the same.
Zero is thrown out. Its the great deception.

Sameness and difference are relative terms their application depends on which facet one focuses. I would not say that saying something is "the same" means the same thing as saying there are zero differences because that would be using the word same to define sameness. However I would say that sameness entails no differences.

 

[ladybug77]

Numbers alone imply the same units. For example 1=3 in reference to a water molecule would imply that the speaker was saying 3 water molecules= 1 water molecule. However one could say that 1 water molecule = 3 atoms two of which are hydrogen and one of which is oxygen.

Gotcha! Its 2 oxygens, and one hydrogen.
And there is nothing else that exist before hydrogen. Its the only atom we cannot split. The only substance found in everything.

 

[ladybug77]

Sameness and difference are relative terms their application depends on which facet one focuses. I would not say that saying something is "the same" means the same thing as saying there are zero differences because that would be using the word same to define sameness. However I would say that sameness entails no differences.

Then the number 1 is a paradox that simply exist.

 

[ladybug77]

Yeah.... Clearly...

I may not be stupid...but i may be a minority of great intellect, in a vast majority of ignorance.

 

[Curious George]

Gotcha! Its 2 oxygens, and one hydrogen.
And there is nothing else that exist before hydrogen. Its the only atom we cannot split. The only substance found in everything.

No, it's two hydrogen and one oxygen. Hydrogen is not in everything, and hydrogen can be split.

 

[ladybug77]

No, it's two hydrogen and one oxygen. Hydrogen is not in everything, and hydrogen can be split.

but tell me: its written H20. not H..0. it wont let me type it. But its a big 2 after the H, not a little 2 hanging around dowwn beside the H. So the big 2 would apply to the oxygen.

 

[crossfire]

And there is nothing else that exist before hydrogen.

Actually, the fourth state of matter, plasma, existed before hydrogen.
Quark-Gluon Plasma

Its the only atom we cannot split. The only substance found in everything.

Stars "split" hydrogen atoms all the time. That's what makes sunshine.

Stellar nucleosynthesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ladybug77]

Bahaha! Its the site i went to. It didnt state the subset was a subset...my bad.
But if we try to seperate the quark?? It gives more energy to the quark??

 

[ladybug77]

Actually, the fourth state of matter, plasma, existed before hydrogen.
Quark-Gluon Plasma



Stars "split" hydrogen atoms all the time. That's what makes sunshine.

Stellar nucleosynthesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I always thought stars represented possibilties of different futures.

 

[crossfire]

but tell me: its written H20. not H..0. it wont let me type it. But its a big 2 after the H, not a little 2 hanging around dowwn beside the H. So the big 2 would apply to the oxygen.

From the great wiki:

Water is a chemical compound with the chemical formula H
2O. A water molecule contains one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms connected by covalent bonds. Water is a liquid at standard ambient temperature and pressure, but it often co-exists on Earth with its solid state, ice, and gaseous state, steam (water vapor).[1]​

Water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Curious George]

but tell me: its written H20. not H..0. it wont let me type it. But its a big 2 after the H, not a little 2 hanging around dowwn beside the H. So the big 2 would apply to the oxygen.

The proper written formula has subscript 2 after the H. We write online H2O because it is easier than writing the subscript. if the 2 comes before the molecule then it is a coefficient. but a two after any element refers to the previous element. Compare H2O to H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) which is two hydrogen and two oxygen.

 

[ladybug77]

I will give this stupid thread a break. Why do i feel so stupid now?? When i used to feel smart, and be smart 8 years ago??? Maybe im dying...and im trying to find God quickly...before i time runs out, and i lose so much of my memory...i forgot where i came from.
Thats the truth. I suffer memory loss...and i feel death approaching. Good night.

 

[crossfire]

but tell me: its written H20. not H..0. it wont let me type it. But its a big 2 after the H, not a little 2 hanging around dowwn beside the H. So the big 2 would apply to the oxygen.

Two oxygen and one hydrogen makes hydroperoxyl, which is what is responsible for breaking down the ozone (O3) layer. O.O

 

[Curious George]

From the great wiki:

Water is a chemical compound with the chemical formula H
2O. A water molecule contains one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms connected by covalent bonds. Water is a liquid at standard ambient temperature and pressure, but it often co-exists on Earth with its solid state, ice, and gaseous state, steam (water vapor).[1]​

Water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wiki didn't say anything about hydrogen bonding? We need to tell legion, he'll fix that.

 

[Curious George]

I will give this stupid thread a break. Why do i feel so stupid now?? When i used to feel smart, and be smart 8 years ago??? Maybe im dying...and im trying to find God quickly...before i time runs out, and i lose so much of my memory...i forgot where i came from.
Thats the truth. I suffer memory loss...and i feel death approaching. Good night.

This human condition of death, we all face. I am not sure what battles you face in your life, but all learning only leads to more questions. why are you suffering from memory loss so young?

 

[Curious George]

Two oxygen and one hydrogen makes hydroperoxyl, which is what is responsible for breaking down the ozone (O3) layer. O.O

Never mind, the wiki page had a diagram of hydrogen bonds under "properties." I thought for certain we had a project for legion.

 

[crossfire]

I will give this stupid thread a break. Why do i feel so stupid now?? When i used to feel smart, and be smart 8 years ago??? Maybe im dying...and im trying to find God quickly...before i time runs out, and i lose so much of my memory...i forgot where i came from.
Thats the truth. I suffer memory loss...and i feel death approaching.

Why try to define god? Can you contain god in a box? Is that really necessary in order to find god? What happens if you forget which box you stuffed god in? Do you lose god?

Good night.

Sweet dreams...

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

I am not sure if you are just joking around. This would be the appropriate thread to say untrue math equalities.

That one was. The first one wasn't.

We can write 1/3 as a decimal, but this is not an exact number

It is an exact number (or did you mean that the decimal isn't an exact number until it is shown that repeating decimals occupy a specific point on the real number line?). I'm not sure if Dedekind was the first to show this but I know his method is the one used more often as it has the advantage of defining real numbers. And I can't get decimal expansions out of my head but that's for the other way around.

. The vinculum bar denotes infinite repetition. Thus .3 with a vinculum bar over the three multiplied by 3 will indeed yield .9 with a vinculum bar over the 9.

I was thinking about this. That's "equal" to one, or at least you can set it up so that this is true, but I came down on the side that you cannot write it as is (without limits) and have that be true. But it's 5 in the morning so I'm not sure of anything at the moment. My idea (avoiding Dedekind cuts) was more like this:
Given an infinite sequence

and any rational number r, then

for some sequence. If one then defines a null sequence as above only with 0 instead of r, then the limit of a sequence is r iff r -

= a null sequence.

but saying this is equal is a different proof. That proof needs calculus. Such that lim 1= 1 with infinite progression in whatever equation which = lim 1. I enjoy this concept because it illustrates the infinite within the finite.

That's not exactly the thing I was thinking of by you could be simplifying or I could be wrong. Or it could be notation. By progression do you mean sequence?

once we establish that then we can recognize that .9 with a vinculum bar over the 9 has lim 1. Which we can then say = 1.

Can we translate this to say that the sequence converges to one or are you referring to something different?

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

We can write 1/3 as a decimal, but this is not an exact number.

There's also series notation:
Let

where
Sn= 3(10^-1) + 3(10^-2) + 3(10^-3) + 3(10^-4) +...+3(10^-n)

Now it should be that

That's probably wrong but if so I'll fix it when I wake up.

 

[Curious George]

There's also series notation:
Let

where
Sn= 3(10^-1) + 3(10^-2) + 3(10^-3) + 3(10^-4) +...+3(10^-n)

Now it should be that

That's probably wrong but if so I'll fix it when I wake up.

That's the right one. instead of .3333.... Use the series for .99999 set x=Sn and pull out number the first number from the series after you multiply by 10. Then you can take away x without violating order of operations. To get .9999=1 if infinity=infinity-1(which it does). And voila 1=.9999....