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I think I offended the family member of a victim?

Spiderman

Veteran Member
So, my favorite Jewish author (of those who are currently living) and linked to the levitical priesthood, and the tribe of Levi happened to lose his daughter to a very tragic way that is hard to forgive multiple people who contributed to it.

Her Father wrote a book about it and has said multiple things that I find inspiring. At a time people were blaming Donald Trump's administration for such violence, her Father wore a Donald Trump shirt to the sight of where his daughter died , (she was heroically using herself to shield the body of someone else).

He is a rather influential writer and speaker who said the Trump administration actually had plenty policies , procedures, and ideas, that could have prevented such incidents from taking place, and also contributes American moral depravity and decadence to such increase in these problems , and the suffering that results for countless people.

I don't think Donald Trump is a nice person. The Father of this victim seems to have a much higher IQ than Trump, and does give rational examples of why the Trump administration can offer something better for lowering homicide in America than what we currently have. Last I checked, homicide went up after Trump left the White House!

At any rate, I love this author dearly, and we did have a brief exchange once where he told me "thank you" and told me his links to the Levitical priesthood.

Levi, is another name for my first name, and I just happened to have the first name alternative for Levi (Matthew).

Another person I pray to who died tragically in that same state, who I keep a picture of that tombstone near my bed, with Menorah candles, and star of David on it, has surname Levy, which means "Levi".

I moved into a room number of a shelter, that was the same number of lives lost in the incident that very day of the incident, which in Roman numerals the number suggests a Spirit that was once with us physically, that is now only with us in Spirit.

The number is on many tombstones in Italy, and often Italians don't have that number of floors on buildings, because if it's association with ghosts and spirits.

It lead me to enshrine pictures of those who lost their lives in that incident, but the only reason I moved into that room, and investigated the incident, and contacted the Father of the victim, was because I jumped off a building months prior, having proposed marriage to someone who has an alternative name, for the victim mentioned, which is a name for the first bride of Jacob, mother of Levi, in Scripture.

Well, it was a long time ago, but her Father never said anything to suggest he was bothered by what I said. He thanked me and and shared some vital information about the tribe and priesthood he has links to.

It was actually very helpful for me to know that personally.

But where I think I went wrong was I shared with him afterwards that I have been very deeply troubled since childhood , and prayers to his daughter have raised me to higher moral standards, deeds of virtue, and have been healing mentally, emotionally, and spirituality. I also asked him if he was able to forgive the person responsible.

He stopped responding to me.

I have only had sustainable sobriety for less than a year and just wasn't in my right mind telling him my inner struggles and darkness, (which you really shouldn't tell anyone but God, a close friend, a priest in a confession booth, or a licensed professional), or that a relative of his who died suddenly and tragically, is in Heaven interceding for me, helping myself be a better person, and praying for and blessing this country.

He doesn't know me from Adam

It very well may be he is a busy celebrity, who cannot converse with me and wasn't offended. Idk.

But I was going to try and reconnect, and downstairs they were playing "Apples to Apples", the topic card was "SENSITIVE" and the card I threw in my hand that I drew, was the name of the state the victim died in and her Father lived in.

I left and returned to the table , and the topic was "Manly" the meaning of her Father's name "Andrew".

I took it as a warning "sensitive topic, don't contact Andrew".

Earlier on RF, I wrote in the journal, the victim telling me "let it go". I went to RF and the top most recent thread was titled "let it go".


Seems like blatantly clear signs to me along with an interior conviction.

But had I been further along in my sobriety, and I contacted her Father, and been prudent with what I said, maybe I could have helped with the healing, ( and occasionally interacted with one of my favorite people in the world).

There was a woman who said I helped her more than anyone, including immediate family members, with her healing after her son's suicide.

She held onto me and wept the day after her son's suicide, and after burying him, I asked her to drop me off near the tombstone where he was buried, where I prayed a Rosary for his soul.

Multiple signs and coincidences involving what I attributed to him, made her weep tears of joy and send me a letter in the mail (around last Christmas actually, so very recent) saying she no longer worries that her son is in hell, and she prays to him every morning as a direct result of things I experienced and shared with her. It worked with her!

I was hoping I could have a similar effect in Andrew's life, possibly reunite him with his loved one, help him heal, console him.

But I just feel I made the trauma worse, opened a wound, accomplished the opposite of my good compassionate intentions.

It is mildly heartbreaking :(. But on the same token, I don't actually know if I disturbed or bothered him, because he did say "thank you".

I will pray for him, and this incident has made me more aware of how much more sensitive and considerate I need to be of others.

It's a dark dark depressing disturbing world out there for a lot of people. Especially if someone takes your child's life. It is with great fear, trembling, and caution, anointing, and experience , that you should attempt to be the "wounded healer" in a situation like that, or try to reunite someone you never met with their departed loved one.

Not my place at all! I meant well

Your thoughts are appreciated!
 
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VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
I'd say be very careful talking to victims family members. They may find it offensive to hear about you praying to their family members. Or not know how to react. Especially if they are abrahamic or atheist or have no belief in spirits or something like that. Or at the very least not know how to react.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I'd say be very careful talking to victims family members. They may find it offensive to hear about you praying to their family members. Or not know how to react. Especially if they are abrahamic or atheist or have no belief in spirits or something like that. Or at the very least not know how to react.
I won't probably do it again for any other person.

It very much worked wonders for the relative of the suicide however.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
I won't probably do it again.

It very much worked wonders for the relative of the suicide however.
That's nice that it helped them.. I know to some hearing your experiences might help them and be comforting. But to others it would really hurt and be even offensive.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
That's nice that it helped them.. I know to some hearing your experiences might help them and be comforting. But to others it would really hurt and be even offensive.
I couldn't agree more.

Whether I hurt the Father of the victim is actually total speculation. He never said anything to suggest he did.

It is simply based on my conscience telling me I screwed up , possibly even big time...

...but maybe not!

What I do know is, my conviction that I did some damage here , has actually changed me for the better.

There are countless bad , immature, terrible, offensive , stupid , immature, disordered, foolish, depraved things and habits I used to have, that I now avoid, and have uprooted all together in many respects, as a result of my convictions about this incident.

It actually has been somewhat revolutionizing, because it doesn't just cause me to see how I may have hurt this person, but how I have hurt countless people.

Also, it exposes inner darkness and depravity that I made light of before, that I want to deal with now, so that I don't offend or hurt anyone in the future.

I'm not cured or "healthy" by any stretch, but way way different for the better, as a result of this.

So, it actually was a very important, powerful, and helpful thing to go through, and eye opener, even if unpleasant and painful at the same time.

The most important lessons can be the most painful.

It's like a "shark attack" in boot camp. The drill sergeants purposely give you more than you can handle, so you break, to become a better soldier in highly traumatic, disturbing, stressful situations!

It isn't good exactly, or the best comparison, but important lessons can be very painful, and can result from mistakes and chastisement.

In the end, I'm a far better person as a result of this, because it sparked me to see a lot of things differently than I would have otherwise.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
I know it’s probably difficult, but you might want to consider being less forthcoming during your conversations with the relatives of the recently deceased.

I see you, and I can see someone truly free thinking and operating on an entirely different wavelength than most people, which I’ve seen in your case often result in epic and vivid spiritual/ religious expression, which I think is awesome and I doubt one can ever expect a dull moment out of you. Among my favorite companions, many share similar high energy and way out of the ordinary traits in that regard. Society sometimes views them as maniacs, which- let’s be honest- many probably are (depending on how you look at it) but so what, no judgement here... I prefer them to the mundane, chained down, easily programmed, go with the flow, lame-*** average Joes and Janes that I encounter each and every day.

A “normal” person- aka Average Joe or Jane- might instead perceive you as this wild, frantic ball of energy blasting off in different directions. Some are cool with it but then some of them might instead be ducking for cover, focusing on the negatives, and you might just trip them out or leave them feeling threatened or perturbed. They can’t handle it and realistically why even expect them to. If I were 100% open with people about myself and my thoughts, most would display a similar response.

Most of the time it’s like, so what. Who cares what they think? In this case though, you obviously care about the victims you are always bringing up. So if you would reach out to the family members of these victims, you gotta lower the intensity a bit and probably consider leaving out anything that might make them want to call an exorcist, burn some sage or put extra locks on their doors. If you ever decide to try your hand at art however feel free to turn that intensity way the hell up.
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
I couldn't agree more.

Whether I hurt the Father of the victim is actually total speculation. He never said anything to suggest he did.

It is simply based on my conscience telling me I screwed up , possibly even big time...

...but maybe not!

What I do know is, my conviction that I did some damage here , has actually changed me for the better.

There are countless bad , immature, terrible, offensive , stupid , immature, disordered, foolish, depraved things and habits I used to have, that I now avoid, and have uprooted all together in many respects, as a result of my convictions about this incident.

It actually has been somewhat revolutionizing, because it doesn't just cause me to see how I may have hurt this person, but how I have hurt countless people.

Also, it exposes inner darkness and depravity that I made light of before, that I want to deal with now, so that I don't offend or hurt anyone in the future.

I'm not cured or "healthy" by any stretch, but way way different for the better, as a result of this.

So, it actually was a very important, powerful, and helpful thing to go through, and eye opener, even if unpleasant and painful at the same time.

The most important lessons can be the most painful.

It's like a "shark attack" in boot camp. The drill sergeants purposely give you more than you can handle, so you break, to become a better soldier in highly traumatic, disturbing, stressful situations!

It isn't good exactly, or the best comparison, but important lessons can be very painful, and can result from mistakes and chastisement.

In the end, I'm a far better person as a result of this, because it sparked me to see a lot of things differently than I would have otherwise.
Holy ****!

Your post actually dropped my jaw because the last thing I wrote in my journal was the victim mentioned in OP (a descendant of Jacob) and how my last name Janes is plural for Jane, feminine for John, alternative to Jack, alternative to Jacob.

Less than a minute after written "John Jane" (comparing self to them) in my diary, you are comparing me to "John Jane". No way in hell that is coincidence my friend!


The victim has a name alternative to first spouse of Jacob, who I only investigated because I jumped off a building the day I proposed marriage to someone with her name alternative, and how that put me in a room number that means "I have lived" in Roman numerals, the day that precise number many people died.

The girl I proposed and jumped for her love, was born the day JFK was assassinated, November 22. Also was writing how that his name was John (alternative to Jane, my surname, and his wife was Jackie, female for Jacob).

My love for this girl I thought was prefigured by first and most important bride of Jacob, transferred me to facility near Saint Olaf's Church, Minneapolis, where there is a plaque to JFK at pew he prayed at, when he visited on the birthday, Oct 2, of some other victim soul I pray to, with the middle name, seeking the same license, as the one I jumped off building over.

Which I wrote that in my journal, and the Jacob, John, Jane, sign, which I attributed to the Spirit person of the OP speaking, followed by reading your post less than a minute afterwards, making the John Jane comparison, is just SPOOKY! :D.

I can't thank you enough!

Plus your use of exorcisms and burning sage I found charming. :)

But I truly feel you were under the influence of a Spirit when you made that post for me to view immediately after I wrote that.

So certain am I that you were under the influence , that I'm going to text your post to myself!


I needed to hear that! And as you said, we are nuts! And I am legion, for we are many!:cool:
:p

But I need to heed the rest of your advice as well. So, it is an amusing but serious message I'm getting!
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
On the same token, I confess the obvious and admit, if I am in awe by every coincidence, and attribute each one as a sign from Heaven, or attribute a message that I'm supposed to do something, because a sign or coincidence shows up, getting too consumed in such activity, can rob a person of their lives, make it impossible to live, and severely complicate things.
 
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