I Think We Misunderstood Jesus

[WalterTrull]

Any more than I think that "allah" will have me
hanging by my hair in eternal fire, for my daily sin of going about with my hair uncovered. /QUOTE]

Rats! Now how am I going to get rid of that picture?

 

[Audie]

Rats! Now how am I going to get rid of that picture?

https://www.google.com/search?q=isl..._AUICygC&biw=851&bih=481#imgrc=YrC2xrzmeogTGM:

 

[Audie]

Again, I totally agree. This is why I am slowly building a philosophy based on science, metaphorical implications, personal observations, bits and pieces from this forum, and many other factors.

I'd hate to have to argue with you, we'd never get
anything going.

 

[WalterTrull]

https://www.google.com/search?q=isl..._AUICygC&biw=851&bih=481#imgrc=YrC2xrzmeogTGM:

Yipes!! That's one creepy collection!

 

[WalterTrull]

I'd hate to have to argue with you, we'd never get
anything going.

Yeah, I'm not much for arguing. Don't see much point in it. Sometimes I get other people views, sometimes not. Sometimes I learn something, not always. I am happy to state my views, but don't feel any need to defend them. Sometimes I alter my views, most often I append. I'd really, really like to know what it's all about. It'd be fun to actually know which lever and which button does what.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

I was in Mass this morning and had another epiphany of christian views. More like clarification. We constantly say: god blesses Through jesus. We are blessed by god in the name of jesus. God bless us in the name of. We worship you, god, in the name of. We offer the lamb/sacrifice/jesus to you god for you (god) saved us from the sins of the world: from god, through christ.

Christ did nothing.

Its fundies. The christian bible has always taught one is saved by god. The difference is the OT prophets did not need a go-between to be saved. Pagans in the NT did.

Its always through, never as, nor is,

I dunno about this. I belief in Christ as Savior. You don't exactly die in full sight of everyone for nothing.

I dunno that we nearly need the whole Jesus as a intermediary for everything deal.

I think he meant Jesus WOULDN'T heal the satanist, and let him die... that way he'd be along to Satan (hell) more quickly - supposed as the more favorable outcome for the satanist.

In that light, Jesus probably welcomed satanists - they gave him a chance to take a break from the tiresome work of miracle-making.

Jesus wasn't a big fan of Satan. But he was a fan of people. And we do see a scene of him basically granting the request of a demon.

26 They sailed to the region of the Gerasenes,a]">[a] which is across the lake from Galilee. 27 When Jesus stepped ashore, he was met by a demon-possessed man from the town. For a long time this man had not worn clothes or lived in a house, but had lived in the tombs. 28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell at his feet, shouting at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don’t torture me!” 29 For Jesus had commanded the impure spirit to come out of the man. Many times it had seized him, and though he was chained hand and foot and kept under guard, he had broken his chains and had been driven by the demon into solitary places.

30 Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”

“Legion,” he replied, because many demons had gone into him. 31 And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss.

32 A large herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside. The demons begged Jesus to let them go into the pigs, and he gave them permission. 33 When the demons came out of the man, they went into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned.

34 When those tending the pigs saw what had happened, they ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, 35 and the people went out to see what had happened. When they came to Jesus, they found the man from whom the demons had gone out, sitting at Jesus’ feet, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. 36 Those who had seen it told the people how the demon-possessed man had been cured. 37 Then all the people of the region of the Gerasenes asked Jesus to leave them, because they were overcome with fear. So he got into the boat and left.

38 The man from whom the demons had gone out begged to go with him, but Jesus sent him away, saying, 39 “Return home and tell how much God has done for you.” So the man went away and told all over town how much Jesus had done for him.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

John 14:6


It gets quoted alot by sort of fundie Christians to explain why Christianity, and ONLY Christianity is saved.

Isn't that interesting though.

2 Kings 2:5-12 Elijah is taken directly to Heaven
Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5 both seem to say that Enoch got taken by God

So these people came to Heaven with God, yet somehow they weren't saved?

For that matter all of the other OT leaders such as Moses, Abraham, and the like, also not saved apparently.

Is it possible we misread this?

Let's get a few more quotes before declaring that only those who belong to the Christian fanclub are saved:

Matthew 19:23-26


Not Christianity. Not even Jesus. God is the one to save us.

Hold up, before Jesus said nobody comes to the father except through him. Is this a contradiction?

Not really. Jesus also says in John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

So, something's going on other than what we've led to believe. From what we have here, unlike many religions it does not appear that membership is actually the key point. So what is?

Belief in Jesus? Or for that matter, following the path of Jesus? (I mean, Muslims say they believe Jesus was a person, but they certainly don't follow his path)

Belief in God? (That would effectively save Christians, Jews, and probably Hindus)

Belief in some sort of concept, like grace? (That might effectively save even atheists)

Or is it more important to simply be a member of the Christian fanclub called the church, even if you don't actually strongly believe in Jesus or God, and are basically a nihilist? Is simply being baptised enough for salvation?

Thoughts?

You have a weird belief. In your post a belief in God may save Christians, Jews, and Hindus, but not Muslims? Smh no wonder I left Christianity