I think, with huge reservations, that the Democrats should support Steve Scalise for Speaker

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Wouldn't you just know it -- Republicans spent hours and vote after vote whittling down 8 candidates to just 1 -- Tom Emmer.

Tragically, Emmer voted to certify the 2020 election, which of course brought the Orange Treason back into the fray to denounce him -- and now he's out.

Unbelievable. Absolutely un-frigging-believable. The Republicans have turned into the world's biggest -- and least funny! -- JOKE!

 

[tytlyf]

Democrats don't have to support a Republican speaker. Not a single Dem vote is needed for a new speaker.
As a matter of fact, Reps don't even need every single one of their members to support a new speaker for one to be appointed.
This is pure incompetence and the American voters are the ones to blame for electing such people

 

[fantome profane]

At this point I am thinking the Democrats should vote for any Republican who is not an insurrectionist and not an avowed white supremacist. Get just five Republicans to go along with them, and move on.

But that would require a house vote.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The death blow to Emmer's chances were Trump's comment: "To vote for a Globalist RINO like Tom Emmer would be a tragic mistake."

In my view, the fact that there are Republicans (even mad-as-hatter-MAGAs) who will permit that man to steer them and the entire nation over the cliff is an act of treason that should disqualify a lot of them. Trump is a LOSER. I get to say that because he LOST. Why listen to LOSERs? Because you don't know how to win yourself? Then get the hell out of politics, a--holes, you're not up to it!

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Frankly, I think Tom Emmer could prove to be a reasonable Speaker. He is conservative, but he's not screamingly far-right. He's capable of understanding the very human problems that real people face, and voting accordingly. He does try to seek consensus, and he seems honest enough to me, for a politician.

If the Pubs can bring a vote to the floor, I think it might do the Democrates good to nominate Emmer themselves, and then vote for him. That done, it wouldn't take more than 6 or 7 Republicans to get the job done! And at the end of the day, it might make the Dems appear more than usually cooperative, and on the side of the American people, rather than themselves. Appearances are important, after all.

(I am assuming, of course, that the Democrats face the bald fact that they're not going to get Hakeem Jeffries elected Speaker.)

 

[fantome profane]

(I am assuming, of course, that the Democrats face the bald fact that they're not going to get Hakeem Jeffries elected Speaker.)

And Hakeem Jeffries should be the one to nominate Emmer (or someone like him). He can give a little speech and encourage the Democrats to vote for him and about doing this for the good of the nation and blah blah blah.

If the Democrats can manage to get someone who is not an insurrectionist and not a white supremacist, that would be a big win for them. They could go in to the 2024 election saying they were the ones who got the house back to business.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

And Hakeem Jeffries should be the one to nominate Emmer (or someone like him). He can give a little speech and encourage the Democrats to vote for him and about doing this for the good of the nation and blah blah blah.

If the Democrats can manage to get someone who is not an insurrectionist and not a white supremacist, that would be a big win for them. They could go in to the 2024 election saying they were the ones who got the house back to business.

That was exactly my thought! I wanted Jeffries to be the nominator.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Frankly, I think Tom Emmer could prove to be a reasonable Speaker. He is conservative, but he's not screamingly far-right. He's capable of understanding the very human problems that real people face, and voting accordingly. He does try to seek consensus, and he seems honest enough to me, for a politician.

If the Pubs can bring a vote to the floor, I think it might do the Democrates good to nominate Emmer themselves, and then vote for him. That done, it wouldn't take more than 6 or 7 Republicans to get the job done! And at the end of the day, it might make the Dems appear more than usually cooperative, and on the side of the American people, rather than themselves. Appearances are important, after all.

(I am assuming, of course, that the Democrats face the bald fact that they're not going to get Hakeem Jeffries elected Speaker.)

Only 5 moderate Democrats would be needed to make Emmer the Speaker. They should be selected from districts that are purple which would give them political cover for voting for Emmer.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Charlie Dent (R) is calling it "The revenge of the RINOs"

Given the Mike Johnson vote, it was a rather tepid revenge.

 

[fantome profane]

Given the Mike Johnson vote, it was a rather tepid revenge.

Yes. But now that it is over, I wonder if the house republicans will make Gaetz and the others pay a price for causing this. And I wonder if voters will make Republicans pay a price for this a year from now.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

And I wonder if voters will make Republicans pay a price for this a year from now.

I would much rather see the voters "make Republicans pay a price" for their politics.

 

[Copernicus]

After Democrats put party before country and refused to vote for any of the many Republicans who reject everything Democrats stand for, Republicans finally had to rise up and elect a Speaker who rejects everything Democrats stand for. They had to do the Democrats' job for them, and Republicans are understandably resentful. I hope the voters remember this unpatriotic behavior from Democrats when the 2024 election takes place. If Mike Johnson screws anything up, remember that it is the Democrats we can blame for it.

 

[fantome profane]

After Democrats put party before country and refused to vote for any of the many Republicans who reject everything Democrats stand for, Republicans finally had to rise up and elect a Speaker who rejects everything Democrats stand for. They had to do the Democrats' job for them, and Republicans are understandably resentful. I hope the voters remember this unpatriotic behavior from Democrats when the 2024 election takes place. If Mike Johnson screws anything up, remember that it is the Democrats we can blame for it.

What???

 

[Wandering Monk]

After Democrats put party before country and refused to vote for any of the many Republicans who reject everything Democrats stand for, Republicans finally had to rise up and elect a Speaker who rejects everything Democrats stand for. They had to do the Democrats' job for them, and Republicans are understandably resentful. I hope the voters remember this unpatriotic behavior from Democrats when the 2024 election takes place. If Mike Johnson screws anything up, remember that it is the Democrats we can blame for it.

What color is the sky in your world. Not one Democrat voted for Johnson.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

After Democrats put party before country and refused to vote for any of the many Republicans who reject everything Democrats stand for, Republicans finally had to rise up and elect a Speaker who rejects everything Democrats stand for. They had to do the Democrats' job for them, and Republicans are understandably resentful. I hope the voters remember this unpatriotic behavior from Democrats when the 2024 election takes place. If Mike Johnson screws anything up, remember that it is the Democrats we can blame for it.

Have you tried analysis? Or even just thinking a little? Works wonders, trust me.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Yes. But now that it is over, I wonder if the house republicans will make Gaetz and the others pay a price for causing this. And I wonder if voters will make Republicans pay a price for this a year from now.

No, I don't think that's going to happen. In my view, it is now scarier than it was before, and there is no longer a place in the Republican world for normal, decent conservative folks.

In his first speech after being elected House speaker, Johnson said:

"Some people are called to pastoral ministry and others to music ministry, etc. I was called to legal ministry and I've been out on the front lines of the 'culture war' defending religious freedom, the sanctity of human life, and biblical values, including the defense of traditional marriage, and other ideals like these when they've been under assault."

He continued his first address as House Speaker by stating:

“I believe that Scripture, the Bible, is very clear: that God is the one who raises up those in authority.”

You know, I hope, that this means that he personally has now been elevated by God! And you should know, from his own words, that he disregards the separation of church and state, even denying its existence:

“What’s happened over the last 60 or 70 years, is that our generation has been convinced that there is a separation of church and state… Most people think that that’s part of the Constitution, but it’s not. Remember, I’m a Constitutional lawyer.”

Interesting that a "Constitutional lawyer" should get that bit so wrong, in terms of the decisions of who knows how many actual court decisioins.

Sorry to say it, but until something huge happens, decent, ordinary conservatives in the United States no longer have a voice. And that, right now, looks like it might only get worse. After all, remember that Johnson voted NOT to certify the 2020 election, and still holds to the "stolen election" fable. Think what that means next time there's an election, when he's the speaker, and the result isn't the one he would prefer!

 

[anna.]

After Democrats put party before country and refused to vote for any of the many Republicans who reject everything Democrats stand for, Republicans finally had to rise up and elect a Speaker who rejects everything Democrats stand for. They had to do the Democrats' job for them, and Republicans are understandably resentful. I hope the voters remember this unpatriotic behavior from Democrats when the 2024 election takes place. If Mike Johnson screws anything up, remember that it is the Democrats we can blame for it.

That's some major gaslighting there.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

After Democrats put party before country and refused to vote for any of the many Republicans who reject everything Democrats stand for, Republicans finally had to rise up and elect a Speaker who rejects everything Democrats stand for.

See posts #53 and #55.

If Mike Johnson screws anything up, remember that it is the Democrats we can blame for it.

The choice between reading your comments and dabbling in haruspicy would be a hard one.

 

[Wandering Monk]

No, I don't think that's going to happen. In my view, it is now scarier than it was before, and there is no longer a place in the Republican world for normal, decent conservative folks.

In his first speech after being elected House speaker, Johnson said:

"Some people are called to pastoral ministry and others to music ministry, etc. I was called to legal ministry and I've been out on the front lines of the 'culture war' defending religious freedom, the sanctity of human life, and biblical values, including the defense of traditional marriage, and other ideals like these when they've been under assault."

He continued his first address as House Speaker by stating:

“I believe that Scripture, the Bible, is very clear: that God is the one who raises up those in authority.”

You know, I hope, that this means that he personally has now been elevated by God! And you should know, from his own words, that he disregards the separation of church and state, even denying its existence:

“What’s happened over the last 60 or 70 years, is that our generation has been convinced that there is a separation of church and state… Most people think that that’s part of the Constitution, but it’s not. Remember, I’m a Constitutional lawyer.”

Interesting that a "Constitutional lawyer" should get that bit so wrong, in terms of the decisions of who knows how many actual court decisioins.

Sorry to say it, but until something huge happens, decent, ordinary conservatives in the United States no longer have a voice. And that, right now, looks like it might only get worse. After all, remember that Johnson voted NOT to certify the 2020 election, and still holds to the "stolen election" fable. Think what that means next time there's an election, when he's the speaker, and the result isn't the one he would prefer!

Will those decent, ordinary conservatives vote for Trump in 2024 or stay home? If they vote for him, there is no way you can all them decent, ordinary conservatives.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Will those decent, ordinary conservatives vote for Trump in 2024 or stay home? If they vote for him, there is no way you can all them decent, ordinary conservatives.

I am a voter in another country (Canada), and I have been faced with the problem of how to vote when the party I favour has outlived its best-before date. I'm a Liberal who has voted Conservative when it was time for the the Liberal party to go away and reset its priorities. I don't enjoy doing that, but not to vote would be an abrogation of my duty as a citizen.

Any decent Republican in the United States who can see the danger that Trump and his enablers represent and who refuses to vote to put that danger out of commission is doing himself and his country a grave disservice. Voting is not, I'm sorry to say, just a regular tally of who belongs to which party. It's an important duty that every citizen should do for the benefit of his nation and its future.

And yes, that sometimes means voting for a member of another party. Oh, the horror!