I want to know more about these characters of Abrahamic religion.

[spiritualhitchhiker]

I want to know more about these characters of Abrahamic religion. Lucifer, Satan and Samael. What are they? Are they all the same? Were they the snake in Garden of Eden myth?

In the movie Noah, Noah wraps the shed skin of the snake(Satan) transfers his lineage or whatever to Ila's twins? Is this some kind of Satanic ritual? If does Satanic things, why does GOD communicate things to him to save a pair of all creatures?

 

[Kolibri]

Depends on which Abrahamic division you ask. We do not all have the same source material as sacred texts. Because of this, the answer will be different depending on who is responding to you.

Satan is a Hebrew word that mean "resister." Jews may say that he was a God-appointed resister. The Christian Greek Scriptures plainly identify the angel behind the serpent in the Eden account to be known by this name, and that he was not God-appointed, but the first rebel, liar, and murderer. The Bible does not reveal what his name may have been prior to his defection.

Some have pointed to Lucifer as an alternate name, but this is really a transliteration in the King James Bible at Isaiah 14:12 from the Latin Vulgate. Lucifer literally means "shining one" and Isaiah 14:4 shows that, rather than pointing to Satan, it pointed to the "king of Babylon" who desired to make the "stars of God", that is the kings of Judah that sat on Jehovah's throne, mere vassals before finally dethroning them altogether. (Isa 14:13)

Samael is not mentioned in these Scriptures but is found in Jewish lore. Whereas the Bible only reveals the names of 2 faithful angels, Michael (the only one listed as an archangel) and Gabriel, Jewish lore considers Samael to be one of 7 archangels.
This wiki link is all the information I have on this person that I personally consider a work of fiction. Samael - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The movie Noah is nothing like the Biblical account. One can not even compare the two. They are so far apart from each other.

 

[Rival]

There is also a Saint Lucifer and back in the old days Yeshua was even called Lucifer because it means The Light Bearer. Root word "Lux" i.e, light. Also it can mean Morning Star and is used as a reference to the planet Venus, because one can see it during the daylight. Above answer on this is correct.

 

[Tumah]

Samael is not mentioned in these Scriptures but is found in Jewish lore. Whereas the Bible only reveals the names of 2 faithful angels, Michael (the only one listed as an archangel) and Gabriel, Jewish lore considers Samael to be one of 7 archangels.
This wiki link is all the information I have on this person that I personally consider a work of fiction. Samael - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Personally, I would consider any Wikipedia article on the topic of angels in Judaism to be a work of fiction. Not because we don't believe they exist, but because of entries like this that rely on occult books rather than Jewish ones.

 

[Kolibri]

Personally, I would consider any Wikipedia article on the topic of angels in Judaism to be a work of fiction. Not because we don't believe they exist, but because of entries like this that rely on occult books rather than Jewish ones.

Very good point. Wiki can have accurate information, but it is hardly authoritative, and sometimes downright misleading.

 

[roger1440]

In the movie Noah, Noah wraps the shed skin of the snake(Satan) transfers his lineage or whatever to Ila's twins? Is this some kind of Satanic ritual? If does Satanic things, why does GOD communicate things to him to save a pair of all creatures?

Keep in mind usually the primary objective in a movie is to make the movie as entertaining as possible. It is not to illustrate an event as factual as possible. A factual movie does not fill seats but an entertaining movie will. The movie Noah runs for 2 hours and 19 minutes. The story of Noah in the Bible would only take a few short minutes to read. It is obvious that the movie has material that is not found in the Biblical account. This extra material found in the movie is the glue that keeps movie goers in their seats. Its purpose is to hold the movie goer captive, to prevent him or her from purchasing popcorn or going to the rest room.

The agenda of the Biblical account is much different. Its purpose is to lead the reader to God, not to entertain him or her for 2 hours and 19 minutes. Therefore although the 2 accounts are similar they are also different.

Viewing movies about Biblical events can be an effective way to introduce a person to stories in the Bible. But simply being acquainted with these stories isn’t an efficient means to actually know these stories. A person must go to the source its self, the Bible.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Personally, I would consider any Wikipedia article on the topic of angels in Judaism to be a work of fiction. Not because we don't believe they exist, but because of entries like this that rely on occult books rather than Jewish ones.

Talk about a pathetic exhibition of confirmation bias. So yell us, @Tumah , which of these References do you classify as 'occult books' and on what evidence? Sealing yourself off from scholarship and belittling it may be effective, but it's a rather sad effect.

 

[Tumah]

Talk about a pathetic exhibition of confirmation bias. So yell us, @Tumah , which of these References do you classify as 'occult books' and on what evidence? Sealing yourself off from scholarship and belittling it may be effective, but it's a rather sad effect.

Not that I think that someone's research towards a certain conclusion invalidates my own.

"Samael" in A Dictionary of Angels, including the fallen angels by Gustav Davidson, Simon & Schuster, p.255

This was a popularised compendium of angelology from Talmud, kabbalah, medieval occult writers, gothic grimoires and other sources.

Not that I think I need to worship at your holy Shrine of the Academy.
Interestingly that of the two of us, its the atheist that is aggressively trying to spread his beliefs rather than showing acceptance of others.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Not that I think that someone's research towards a certain conclusion invalidates my own.

"Samael" in A Dictionary of Angels, including the fallen angels by Gustav Davidson, Simon & Schuster, p.255

This was a popularised compendium of angelology from Talmud, kabbalah, medieval occult writers, gothic grimoires and other sources.

Not that I think I need to worship at your holy Shrine of the Academy.
Interestingly that of the two of us, its the atheist that is aggressively trying to spread his beliefs rather than showing acceptance of others.

And this is your answer? This is why you "would consider any Wikipedia article on the topic of angels in Judaism to be a work of fiction"?

 

[Tumah]

And this is your answer? This is why you "would consider any Wikipedia article on the topic of angels in Judaism to be a work of fiction"?

That's right. When out of 78 references in your link on angels in Judaism, only one Jewish book is referred I'm not going to take it seriously. Of course, if you would like to engage in some Wikipedia apologetics, you can check out some of the 77 other references and defend their stances.

The members of my religions spend lifetimes, not just a few years studying Jewish works. Personally, I'm not going to take anything Wikipedia says on Judaism seriously. Especially when I have the source material.

I also find your assertion that I may not formulate an opinion through my own study that is at odds with the opinion of other scholars, somewhat narrow-minded.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That's right. When out of 78 references in your link on angels in Judaism, only one Jewish book is referred I'm not going to take it seriously.

I'm sure that we all understand.

 

[Rogn]

Basically old superstitious stories of God punishing sinners for worshipping idols and pagan gods instead of the one true god.
Samuel anoits Saul to be king, its during David's time in a way.
And Satan is the deciever of the stories.

And also, i wouldn't recommend watching those hollywood movies based on the abrahamic religions

 

[Tumah]

I'm sure that we all understand.

Great. I'm always available to provide information for those less knowledgeable than myself.

 

[ChristineES]

I want to know more about these characters of Abrahamic religion. Lucifer, Satan and Samael. What are they? Are they all the same? Were they the snake in Garden of Eden myth?

In the movie Noah, Noah wraps the shed skin of the snake(Satan) transfers his lineage or whatever to Ila's twins? Is this some kind of Satanic ritual? If does Satanic things, why does GOD communicate things to him to save a pair of all creatures?

The best way to get information about these "characters" is to read the Tanakh yourself. What you describe here about Noah and snakes was NOT in Genesis nor written anywhere in the entire Bible.

I can I can sort of answer some of your questions (these are all my opinion and you should take them as such):
Lucifer was a prince of Babylon written by Isaiah, Satan is called the "accuser" in Job and other books.
Some people take the creation stories, Noah, etc. as allegories or symbolic and there are others who take them literally. You'll find that less and less people are taking them literally. The "serpent" in the Adam and Eve story was more than likely symbolic. As for what, I believe it stood for man's own human nature and desire overriding what they've been told.

 

[Xenosaga Dragonzord]

in islam faith

lucifer or satan or iblis are jinn race supernatural creature created from fire with free will like human.......

jinn race have family,marriage,school,economy,religion,country etc same with human

samael, never heard about him

 

[Pegg]

I want to know more about these characters of Abrahamic religion. Lucifer, Satan and Samael. What are they? Are they all the same? Were they the snake in Garden of Eden myth?

In the movie Noah, Noah wraps the shed skin of the snake(Satan) transfers his lineage or whatever to Ila's twins? Is this some kind of Satanic ritual? If does Satanic things, why does GOD communicate things to him to save a pair of all creatures?

The movie is absolutely nothing like the original bible account.....except that they both have water in them lol

Lucifer is a latin name for the devil/satan...its not his real name...the bible does not reveal the angels real name. Satan is Gods arch enemy. He was one of the holy angels who developed a bad desire and basically made it his mission to destroy the human race.
He did so by posing as a snake and convincing Eve to disobey Gods law.

This sent the human family into isolation from their creator and brought death and sickness to the entire human race.

so satan/devil/lucifer, whatever you want to call him, is also our enemy. I dont know what happens in the movie with regard to satan but it in no way reflects the bible account about noah and the flood.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

In Baha'I view, not everything in the Writings of Prophets or Holy Books are meant to be taken literally. Some of their verses are Figurative, symbolic, or metaphoric. Satan, Evil, Adam and Eve story, serpent, all have symbolic meanings.
Their meaning is explained in one of the Bahai Holy Books called 'Some answered questions'. You can download the book for free online.

 

[Akivah]

I want to know more about these characters of Abrahamic religion. Lucifer, Satan and Samael. What are they? Are they all the same? Were they the snake in Garden of Eden myth?

Only Satan appears in the Tanakh. He is one of G-d's angels.

In the movie Noah, Noah wraps the shed skin of the snake(Satan) transfers his lineage or whatever to Ila's twins? Is this some kind of Satanic ritual? If does Satanic things, why does GOD communicate things to him to save a pair of all creatures?

I saw that movie. There wasn't a single thing in there that was true to the Hebrew bible. It was a fictional story designed to generate admission fees.

 

[Desert Snake]

I want to know more about these characters of Abrahamic religion. Lucifer, Satan and Samael. What are they? Are they all the same? Were they the snake in Garden of Eden myth?

In the movie Noah, Noah wraps the shed skin of the snake(Satan) transfers his lineage or whatever to Ila's twins? Is this some kind of Satanic ritual? If does Satanic things, why does GOD communicate things to him to save a pair of all creatures?

hi, the snake is just a snake as far as I know.

I havn't seen that movie yet

 

[Zardoz]

The Noah movie was just entertainment, loosely based on the bible story. That's all.