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I was just thinking

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
In Judaism and Islam believers talk straight to God. There is no middle man.

In Christianity, believers go through Christ. However, they too go through a middle man between them and Christ--the Apostles. Christians trust the Apostles as if their words are actually Jesus' Words of His Father rather than accepting them as testimonies that it could have been said by Jesus. Since Jesus wrote nothing of His own and all was oral tradition (as many religions passed there traditions by), how do we know exactly what Jesus taught? Why do Christians trust the Apostles rather than Jesus Himself?

Christ is the medium for Christian's salvation not the apostles and their words.

Am I missing something or is it by faith that Christians believe the Apostles were true in what they spoke of Christ?
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
Most people in the Tanakh/OT didn't write either, and Muhammad never did. All of them are about oral tradition and memorization, and inevitable interpretation/perception influx.
 
I sought after the Lord before trusting the Bible and apostles. I spoke to the Lord directly without a middle man... When we are born again, the Holy Spirit enters our bodies. We become more and more Christ-like as we mature. We know what the truth is because the Lord reveals the truth to us. I realized the Bible was the absolute truth when I noticed that everything God would tell me was found somewhere in the Bible. I trusted God before I ever trusted the Bible. God reveals truth to me when I hear others preach. I know what to believe and what to reject because of the Holy Spirit.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Several Muslims seem to worship Muhammad, dear.
I've never heard that in the Quran. Muhammad always said worship Allah. Everything is focused towards Allah. It is like the Apostles to a Christian. Christians don't worship the Apostles yet they depend and trust their words to be those of Jesus. Same with Muhammad. They trust in Muhammad to provide them with the words of Allah; but they don't worship Him.

Christianity is the only religion within the three that a human being is between them and God. The other two religions recognize Jesus, Muhammad, and Moses as prophets; they do not replace God and are not intermediaries between Him and the believer.
 

Tiapan

Grumpy Old Man
Does it really matter when they all seem equally ephemeral in the minds of the believer.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Muslims don't worship prophets and they don't believe about incarnation or that God has a son....etc
Completely irrelevant and beside the point. Everything that you believe about the divine was prepackaged by other mortals. Relgions are founded by self-appointed middlemen who presume to speak on behalf of god.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
They don't go through these middlemen to go to God. In Christianity, you must go through Christ to get the the Father. The prophets are saying go to the Father, we will help.

But are they not the ones who wrote those books of mandatory and arbitrary rules?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Completely irrelevant and beside the point. Everything that you believe about the divine was prepackaged by other mortals. Relgions are founded by self-appointed middlemen who presume to speak on behalf of god.

Do you want God himself to show up and to beg you to believe that he does exist ?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
But are they not the ones who wrote those books of mandatory and arbitrary rules?
According to both religions the words or rules came from God(Muslim) and Christ(christian). Muslims place more emphasis on Allah. Christians on Christ. The big difference is Muslims are not claiming Muhammad as The Creator as some Christians do with Christ.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Do you want God himself to show up and to beg you to believe that he does exist ?

I don't think that god would need to plead for belief and worship like an addict for a drug, but that would be preferable to placing blind trust in the unsubstantiated, irrational, inconsistent, and arbitrary claims of mere men of questionable character and conduct.
 
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