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IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital
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rosends
Well-Known Member
Not specious, nor an admonition. You use legal words but then want to understand them in a non-legal way and have them import the same consequence and value as the legal concept. That's not how it works.
The difference between your legal argument
& the common argument is race vs other traits,
ie, primarily religion in this case. To think that
apartheid must be based only on race is bogus.
It's apartheid by every dictionary definition,
I've yet seen, so the term is correct.
You're simply using a word game to justify
oppression & apartheid of Palestinians.
InChrist
Free4ever
So according to that definition, there is NO apartheid in Israel and the constant charge of apartheid is false and baseless…
“ End Apartheid in Israel!”
“This is a slogan that garners massive support, but the slogan expresses a total lie. There is no Apartheid in Israel. None! Zilch! Nada!
Two million Palestinians live in Israel. They are citizens of Israel, and as such, they have complete freedom to live where they please and to use any hospital or means of transportation. There is no enforced separation of Jews and Arabs of any type that exists in Israel.
Arab Israelis have the right to vote and to serve in the Israeli parliament (the Knesset). They also have access to all the welfare services of the state. They have every freedom that the Jews have. In fact, they have been given a freedom Jews do not have! All Jews, except the small percentage of Ultra-Orthodox, are required to serve in the military — both men and women. Palestinian citizens are exempted from this requirement, although some voluntarily serve in non-combat positions.
The only Apartheid that exists in the Middle East is in the Arab countries where all their Jewish populations were forcibly evicted after the Suez War in 1956. The fact of the matter is that no Jews are allowed to live in Arab nations. That is true Apartheid!”
Deceptive Slogans In Propaganda War Against Israel :: By Dr. David Reagan
The pro-Palestinian demonstrations that have broken out across our nation are full of signs containing slogans that are either blatantly untrue or
www.raptureready.com
rosends
Well-Known Member
No, and I really wish you would try to follow along: I am making the point that word has a real and legal meaning and you are taking liberties with it, using it in a loose and common sense and thinking that has bearing on either the legal theory or the practical facts. You call using a word as it is defined a "game"? You are the one substituting an external definition for the one in the authoritative document.
Orbit
I'm a planet
Holy moly this is full of wrong information! There are separate roads, segregated settlements with gates, checkpoints, razor wire, there are walls. Palestinians who are essentially stateless live under a separate legal system. The blockade of Gaza has created human rights issues for decades. The U.N. says it's apartheid, along with several human rights organizations inside and outside of Israel.So according to that definition, there is NO apartheid in Israel and the constant charge of apartheid is false and baseless…
“ End Apartheid in Israel!”
“This is a slogan that garners massive support, but the slogan expresses a total lie. There is no Apartheid in Israel. None! Zilch! Nada!
Two million Palestinians live in Israel. They are citizens of Israel, and as such, they have complete freedom to live where they please and to use any hospital or means of transportation. There is no enforced separation of Jews and Arabs of any type that exists in Israel.
Arab Israelis have the right to vote and to serve in the Israeli parliament (the Knesset). They also have access to all the welfare services of the state. They have every freedom that the Jews have. In fact, they have been given a freedom Jews do not have! All Jews, except the small percentage of Ultra-Orthodox, are required to serve in the military — both men and women. Palestinian citizens are exempted from this requirement, although some voluntarily serve in non-combat positions.
The only Apartheid that exists in the Middle East is in the Arab countries where all their Jewish populations were forcibly evicted after the Suez War in 1956. The fact of the matter is that no Jews are allowed to live in Arab nations. That is true Apartheid!”
Deceptive Slogans In Propaganda War Against Israel :: By Dr. David Reagan
The pro-Palestinian demonstrations that have broken out across our nation are full of signs containing slogans that are either blatantly untrue or
Israel's apartheid against Palestinians
Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...
www.amnesty.org
A Threshold Crossed
The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...
You're still ignoring the common usage based
upon dictionary definitions. I don't claim a
legal definition. Israel commits apartheid.
Stop using tricks to try to justify Israel's
criminal & evil behavior.
InChrist
Free4ever
Is Gaza Israel? No, it’s not. Gaza has its own Hamas controlled government. The UN or other agencies cannot just redefine “apartheid” or use it in a bias, twisted double standard way solely against Israel.Holy moly this is full of wrong information! There are separate roads, segregated settlements with gates, checkpoints, razor wire, there are walls. Palestinians who are essentially stateless live under a separate legal system. The blockade of Gaza has created human rights issues for decades. The U.N. says it's apartheid, along with several human rights organizations inside and outside of Israel.
Israel's apartheid against Palestinians
Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...
A Threshold Crossed
The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...www.hrw.org
“That apartheid refers to the racial segregation in pre-1990s South Africa, which does not remotely apply to Israel, is seemingly irrelevant to the UN, ostensible human rights groups and the media. Merriam-Webster dictionary defines‘apartheid’ as “a former policy of segregation and political, social, and economic discrimination against South Africa’s nonwhite majority.”
Compare that to Israel’s relationship with the Palestinians. Since the 1990s’ Oslo Accords, the vast majority of Palestinians have been governed by the PA or Hamas.
In Israel, Arabs serve as Supreme Court Justices, fighter pilots, politicians, artists and athletes. Everything Israelis do, Arab Israelis do. BDS co-founder and apartheid claim proponent Omar Barghouti even earned his degree at Tel Aviv University.
The legal, state-sanctioned discrimination that is the definition of apartheid is not only absent from Israel, it is furiously combatted by its laws and independent judiciary. Israel’s basic laws serve as legal safeguards, providing protection of life, body and dignity in a democratic state with equal rights for all, including ethnic minorities.
As such, singling Israel out exposes a double standard and misrepresents the actual legal and practical state of affairs within the country.”
The 'Apartheid' Myth: The Improper Use of False and Misleading Claims Regarding Israel | HonestReporting
Anti-Israel activists throughout the world are spearheading a full-blown assault on the Jewish state by disseminating outright lies.
honestreporting.com
Orbit
I'm a planet
Is Gaza Israel? No, it’s not. Gaza has its own Hamas controlled government. The UN or other agencies cannot just redefine “apartheid” or use it in a bias, twisted double standard way solely against Israel.
“That apartheid refers to the racial segregation in pre-1990s South Africa, which does not remotely apply to Israel, is seemingly irrelevant to the UN, ostensible human rights groups and the media. Merriam-Webster dictionary defines‘apartheid’ as “a former policy of segregation and political, social, and economic discrimination against South Africa’s nonwhite majority.”
Compare that to Israel’s relationship with the Palestinians. Since the 1990s’ Oslo Accords, the vast majority of Palestinians have been governed by the PA or Hamas.
In Israel, Arabs serve as Supreme Court Justices, fighter pilots, politicians, artists and athletes. Everything Israelis do, Arab Israelis do. BDS co-founder and apartheid claim proponent Omar Barghouti even earned his degree at Tel Aviv University.
The legal, state-sanctioned discrimination that is the definition of apartheid is not only absent from Israel, it is furiously combatted by its laws and independent judiciary. Israel’s basic laws serve as legal safeguards, providing protection of life, body and dignity in a democratic state with equal rights for all, including ethnic minorities.
As such, singling Israel out exposes a double standard and misrepresents the actual legal and practical state of affairs within the country.”
The 'Apartheid' Myth: The Improper Use of False and Misleading Claims Regarding Israel | HonestReporting
Anti-Israel activists throughout the world are spearheading a full-blown assault on the Jewish state by disseminating outright lies.
Lordy. Get out of your apologetic information bubble and you might learn something.
A Threshold Crossed
The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...
Justifying apartheid by saying it'sIs Gaza Israel? No, it’s not. Gaza has its own Hamas controlled government. The UN or other agencies cannot just redefine “apartheid” or use it in a bias, twisted double standard way solely against Israel.
“That apartheid refers to the racial segregation in pre-1990s South Africa, which does not remotely apply to Israel, is seemingly irrelevant to the UN, ostensible human rights groups and the media. Merriam-Webster dictionary defines‘apartheid’ as “a former policy of segregation and political, social, and economic discrimination against South Africa’s nonwhite majority.”
Compare that to Israel’s relationship with the Palestinians. Since the 1990s’ Oslo Accords, the vast majority of Palestinians have been governed by the PA or Hamas.
In Israel, Arabs serve as Supreme Court Justices, fighter pilots, politicians, artists and athletes. Everything Israelis do, Arab Israelis do. BDS co-founder and apartheid claim proponent Omar Barghouti even earned his degree at Tel Aviv University.
The legal, state-sanctioned discrimination that is the definition of apartheid is not only absent from Israel, it is furiously combatted by its laws and independent judiciary. Israel’s basic laws serve as legal safeguards, providing protection of life, body and dignity in a democratic state with equal rights for all, including ethnic minorities.
As such, singling Israel out exposes a double standard and misrepresents the actual legal and practical state of affairs within the country.”
The 'Apartheid' Myth: The Improper Use of False and Misleading Claims Regarding Israel | HonestReporting
Anti-Israel activists throughout the world are spearheading a full-blown assault on the Jewish state by disseminating outright lies.
only about race...therefore apartheid
in Israel doesn't exist, or is acceptable?
rosends
Well-Known Member
That's like saying "I don't care about legal definition. Eating yogurt is MURDER, therefore yogurt eaters are clearly murderers!
The word has a specific definition. This is not that. You are trying to replace it with a friendlier definition. That's sloppy but if that's your choice...
Stop using intellectual dishonesty to support an incorrect claim.
rosends
Well-Known Member
ca
calling it apartheid when it isn't about race is cheap showmanship or just intellectual sloppiness?
Geeze Louise, is there any silly
thing you won't say to justify
apartheid?
I gave you a link to dictionary.com's definition.
Israel has apartheid....in addition to torture,
war crimes, & other human rights violations
it inflicts on Palestinians.
Your word games don't change this reality.
Dishonesty, eh.
Religious fanatics in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Still don't believe in English dictionaries, eh.
And all because you want to justify apartheid,
by making the oppression about religion instead
of race. That makes it OK to you?
InChrist
Free4ever
I’m sorry, but there’s no way HRW can be considered a legitimate, unbiased source.Lordy. Get out of your apologetic information bubble and you might learn something.
A Threshold Crossed
The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...
“HRW frequently levels baseless accusations against Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, while victims of authoritarian regimes in Iran, Syria, and Yemen consistently get a pass.
Here are five things you should know about Human Rights Watch and its outrageous report….
“The report’s primary author is Omar Shakir, HRW’s Israel/Palestine director, who signed a pledge in 2015 to “honor the BDS call.” The founder and leader of the anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions Movement has stated openly that his movement aims to see Israel dismantled as a Jewish state and BDS activists have achieved notoriety around the world for attacking Jews and Jewish institutions.
Israel expelled Shakir for violating a 2017 law that bars BDS supporters from entering the country. At the time, then-Strategic Affairs Minister Gilad Erdan said Shakir “reveals the true face of boycott activists… even when they present a false pose of ‘human rights activists.’”
An analysis of Shakir’s Twitter activity by the watchdog group NGO Monitor between June 2018 and February 2019 showed 970 tweets on issues relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Of those 970 tweets, 18 condemned alleged Israeli attacks on Palestinians, but not one condemned terrorist attacks against Israel. “
5 Things You Should Know About Human Rights Watch’s Report on Israel
Human Rights Watch released the latest in an anti-Israel campaign by the once reputable watchdog group, which five years ago tapped a longtime anti-Israel activist as its director in that region.
InChrist
Free4ever
I’m not justifying apartheid in anyway, in Israel or elsewhere. Just saying Israel doesn’t practice apartheid.
rosends
Well-Known Member
Is there any point you will try to answer instead of snarking and running?
Your dictionary definition doesn't have any impact on the word in the context of international law. If you want to use the word "apartheid" to refer to anything you think it should then you should be clear about how you mean the word. I'm telling you how I'm using it. The dictionary.com definition, by the way, doesn't do much to support your claim
noun
- (in the Republic of South Africa) a rigid former policy of segregating and economically and politically oppressing the nonwhite population.
- any system or practice that separates people according to color, ethnicity, caste, etc.
people discussing a legal concept should use legal definitions instead of ad hoc conveniences.
By denying that it exists,
this is to defend, ie, justify, it.
Orbit
I'm a planet
Can't you spot apologetics when you see them? The whataboutism used to deflect away from the actual issue should be a clue. Of course Israel tries to discredit anyone who points out what is happening.I’m sorry, but there’s no way HRW can be considered a legitimate, unbiased source.
“HRW frequently levels baseless accusations against Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, while victims of authoritarian regimes in Iran, Syria, and Yemen consistently get a pass.
Here are five things you should know about Human Rights Watch and its outrageous report….
“The report’s primary author is Omar Shakir, HRW’s Israel/Palestine director, who signed a pledge in 2015 to “honor the BDS call.” The founder and leader of the anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions Movement has stated openly that his movement aims to see Israel dismantled as a Jewish state and BDS activists have achieved notoriety around the world for attacking Jews and Jewish institutions.
Israel expelled Shakir for violating a 2017 law that bars BDS supporters from entering the country. At the time, then-Strategic Affairs Minister Gilad Erdan said Shakir “reveals the true face of boycott activists… even when they present a false pose of ‘human rights activists.’”
An analysis of Shakir’s Twitter activity by the watchdog group NGO Monitor between June 2018 and February 2019 showed 970 tweets on issues relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Of those 970 tweets, 18 condemned alleged Israeli attacks on Palestinians, but not one condemned terrorist attacks against Israel. “
5 Things You Should Know About Human Rights Watch’s Report on Israel
Human Rights Watch released the latest in an anti-Israel campaign by the once reputable watchdog group, which five years ago tapped a longtime anti-Israel activist as its director in that region.www.ajc.org
There's a difference between right and wrong, no matter how you define the word "apartheid". The evidence for it is staring you in the face.
I've answered questions that were worthy.
But not loaded ones of the sort...
Have you stopped beating your husband?
The dictionary is the basis for language I use.
Ethnicity covers it, as does "etc".
Israel practices apartheid...& war crimes.