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IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
No, bombing during wartime and notifying civilians in advance so they are not injured. Are you not familiar with the rules of war?

The Israeli army surrounded Shifa hospital, Snipers ... - YouTube​


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The Israeli army surrounded Shifa hospital, Snipers are shooting through the windows

How could any Jew defend that terrorist state, the dross?
Sure. It is what you act with when you admit you don't understand a religion and don't try to tell practitioners about their own belief system. You should try it.
There is that bait again.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
LAW????? Israel has been criminal for decades.................... breaking the law of illegal occupation, oppression and pillage.
You say so without knowing the law. Noted.
NO...... Whether the commandments or international law............ you dont care and will break them as you wish any time you want.
Doesn't respond to your own internal contradiction.
Is that how your conscious works............. find error in another to substantiate breaking the law
No, find an error to show that someone doesn't understand the law or the religion.
Note even remotely
Then you aren't reading your own statements.
Israel is an apartheid!
No, it isn't.
Israel are the dross.
That same silliness still doesn't make any sense.
They are legally there. Israel is breaking the law. What's the punishment that you will support?
I note you didn't answer what I asked. Thanks.
I am not taking the bait.
because you can't answer what I said.
Them 2 sentences are the evidence!
Wow. You say so little when you say so little, and yet it is still wrong. Amazing.
More evidence.
of your ignorance, yes.
OK i will copy and paste it, since you did not know where it came from

Ezek 22:18 The house of Israel hath been to Me for dross, All of them .......
19 Therefore, thus said the Lord Jehovah: Because of your all becoming dross, Therefore, lo, I am gathering you unto the midst of Jerusalem,
I know the verse and the actual reference (it refers only to a specific group). I also know that if you wanted to claim that it applied now, then you would have to explain why there are Israelis outside of Jerusalem that you call "dross." The verses say that the dross will be assembled in Jerusalem.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member

The Israeli army surrounded Shifa hospital, Snipers ... - YouTube


YouTube · Etemaad Daily Videos
100+ views · 1 week ago



1:34
The Israeli army surrounded Shifa hospital, Snipers are shooting through the windows

How could any Jew defend that terrorist state, the dross?

There is that bait again.
either you understand things or you don't. Your posts make it clear you don't. That isn't bait. That is an observation based on what you write and how you can't defend it.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
You say so without knowing the law. Noted.
The unlawful appropriation of property by an occupying power amounts to “pillage”, which is prohibited by both the Hague Regulations and Fourth Geneva Convention and is a war crime under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and many national laws.

Israeli settlements are illegal under international law. The European Union (EU) has clearly stated that: “settlement building anywhere in the occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, is illegal under international law, constitutes an obstacle to peace and threatens to make a two-state solution impossible.”

Fourth Geneva Convention have reaffirmed that settlements violate international humanitarian law. The illegality of the settlements was recently reaffirmed by UN Security Council Resolution 2334, passed in December 2016, which reiterates the Security Council’s call on Israel to cease all settlement activities in the OPT. The serious human rights violations that stem from Israeli settlements have also been repeatedly raised and condemned by international bodies and experts.




I know the verse and the actual reference (it refers only to a specific group).
Apartheid defenders, that oppress widows and the fatherless. Its in writting, try reading the dialogue to learn.
I also know that if you wanted to claim that it applied now, then you would have to explain why there are Israelis outside of Jerusalem that you call "dross." verses say that the dross will be assembled in Jerusalem.The
No i do not have to explain.

"The verses say that the dross will be assembled in Jerusalem."

The Jew are not the dross. Stop trying to condemn Jews.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
either you understand things or you don't. Your posts make it clear you don't. That isn't bait. That is an observation based on what you write and how you can't defend it.
Who can defend themselves from the dross?

Did you read up on the law of ILLEGAL OCCUPATION?
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
The unlawful appropriation of property by an occupying power amounts to “pillage”, which is prohibited by both the Hague Regulations and Fourth Geneva Convention and is a war crime under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and many national laws.

Israeli settlements are illegal under international law. The European Union (EU) has clearly stated that: “settlement building anywhere in the occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, is illegal under international law, constitutes an obstacle to peace and threatens to make a two-state solution impossible.”

Fourth Geneva Convention have reaffirmed that settlements violate international humanitarian law. The illegality of the settlements was recently reaffirmed by UN Security Council Resolution 2334, passed in December 2016, which reiterates the Security Council’s call on Israel to cease all settlement activities in the OPT. The serious human rights violations that stem from Israeli settlements have also been repeatedly raised and condemned by international bodies and experts.
so you didn't read the actual legal discussion I presented. and think that bigger font means something. It doesn't.
Apartheid defenders, that oppress widows and the fatherless. Its in writting, try reading the dialogue to learn.
No apartheid and you clearly don't understand the biblical text. Would you like to discuss it with me? I'll quote something important to you (and put it in bold to help you out):
בֶּן־אָדָ֕ם הָיוּ־לִ֥י בֵֽית־יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל (לסוג) [לְסִ֑יג] כֻּלָּ֡ם נְ֠חֹ֠שֶׁת וּבְדִ֨יל וּבַרְזֶ֤ל וְעוֹפֶ֙רֶת֙ בְּת֣וֹךְ כּ֔וּר סִגִ֥ים כֶּ֖סֶף הָיֽוּ׃

לָכֵן֙ הִנְנִ֣י קֹבֵ֣ץ אֶתְכֶ֔ם אֶל־תּ֖וֹךְ יְרוּשָׁלָֽ͏ִם

so there you go.
No i do not have to explain.
Especially when you don't understand.
"The verses say that the dross will be assembled in Jerusalem."

The Jew are not the dross. Stop trying to condemn Jews.
Then you don't understand the verses.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
On what basis do you tell me who I am or what I know?

I don't. This wasn't my position.

You are quoting the Hamas chant and asking about Israelis. You are very confused.

lol

ah, so anyone who gives me a statement you think isn't what a Zionist should say, that person isn't a Zionist? HA!

Zionism predates 1948 by a lot.

You don't understand Judaism, Zionism, history or much of anything. It might be easier to make a list of things you do understand. When I find something, I'll add it to that list.
Your entire argument seems to be that no one "understands" anything. I understand this: wanton killing is wrong, no matter what it is in response to.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
so you didn't read the actual legal discussion I presented. and think that bigger font means something. It doesn't.
Because you do not accept or use laws, commandments or personal responsibility as your guidance of right and wrong.

You prefer legal opinions of lawyer style arguments to substantiate your bias.
No apartheid and you clearly don't understand the biblical text. Would you like to discuss it with me? I'll quote something important to you (and put it in bold to help you out):
בֶּן־אָדָ֕ם הָיוּ־לִ֥י בֵֽית־יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל (לסוג) [לְסִ֑יג] כֻּלָּ֡ם נְ֠חֹ֠שֶׁת וּבְדִ֨יל וּבַרְזֶ֤ל וְעוֹפֶ֙רֶת֙ בְּת֣וֹךְ כּ֔וּר סִגִ֥ים כֶּ֖סֶף הָיֽוּ׃

לָכֵן֙ הִנְנִ֣י קֹבֵ֣ץ אֶתְכֶ֔ם אֶל־תּ֖וֹךְ יְרוּשָׁלָֽ͏ִם

so there you go.
Thanks for sidetracking.
Especially when you don't understand.

Then you don't understand the verses.
Sure i do. but like the laws written condemning atrocities. Your solidarity with israel is in full force.

I am in full solidarity with Jews and the souls that keep the commandments. It breaks my heart that so many good solid lives are being damaged because of what israel has done for so many years.

I have a different modality of addressing the divide than the war mongers.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Because you do not accept or use laws, commandments or personal responsibility as your guidance of right and wrong.
Because you don't understand the laws and commandments you label things in order to comfort yourself.
You prefer legal opinions of lawyer style arguments to substantiate your bias.
I do prefer legal opinions when it comes to discussing law. You seem averse.
Thanks for sidetracking.
You mean thanks for actually posting the text that you don't understand. You're welcome.
Sure i do. but like the laws written condemning atrocities. Your solidarity with israel is in full force.
Clearly, you don't understand the text. I posted it and you (you, who had quoted the same text but in translation and sullied with your personal interpretation) can't read it so you call it sidetracking.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Only he & those who agree with him understand.
yeah, only Jews who have studied Judaism understand, and only people who are using legal terms and definitions understand legal discussions. If you would rather use words to mean whatever you want, and you want to make claims about a religion you don't really "get" then you can feel free to do that. I'll stick with substantive discussions based in actual facts.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Your entire argument seems to be that no one "understands" anything. I understand this: wanton killing is wrong, no matter what it is in response to.

I understand that the use of the word "wanton" is a judgment that you make and different people might apply that word differently.

I cannot help but wonder if he understands that wanton disregard of antisemitic intimidation is antisemitic.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Because you don't understand the laws and commandments you label things in order to comfort yourself.
Are there different laws and commandments for you than everyone else? Be specific.
I do prefer legal opinions when it comes to discussing law. You seem averse.
Of course, so you can substantiate apartheid and genocide.
You mean thanks for actually posting the text that you don't understand. You're welcome.
No thanks for giving me your legal opinion to circumvent liability and prophecy.
Clearly, you don't understand the text. I posted it and you (you, who had quoted the same text but in translation and sullied with your personal interpretation) can't read it so you call it sidetracking.
I posted the laws against illegal occupation. No matter the language, they apply.

The side tracking is you will use israeli opinions before LAW or commandments.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
yeah, only Jews who have studied Judaism understand, and only people who are using legal terms and definitions understand legal discussions. If you would rather use words to mean whatever you want, and you want to make claims about a religion you don't really "get" then you can feel free to do that. I'll stick with substantive discussions based in actual facts.
I don't understand what that is about,
but it's OK.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Are there different laws and commandments for you than everyone else? Be specific.
"everyone"? No. There are ones that different from those given to non-Jews. There are those that are resident in other countries. There are those that apply only in my building, at my job, and in my neighborhood that are different. What are you asking?
Of course, so you can substantiate apartheid and genocide.
Swing and a miss. I can use the law to substantiate what ISN'T apartheid and genocide.
No thanks for giving me your legal opinion to circumvent liability and prophecy.
So when confronted with the actual law, you would prefer to hide behind your personal interpretation of the bible. OK.
I posted the laws against illegal occupation. No matter the language, they apply.
No, you see, that's exactly the point. If you knew the law you'd know they DON'T apply.
The side tracking is you will use israeli opinions before LAW or commandments.
I used the law and you concede that when it comes to law, you reject it in deference to your vision of biblical meaning. Thanks for clarifying your position about actual laws and how they don't matter.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
"everyone"?
Yep, mankind are equally capable to keep the commandments and laws of civil society.

Israel, apartheid lovers/dross DO NOT own the commandments. Jews keep them about naturally and are wonderful examples of how.


No. There are ones that different from those given to non-Jews.
I see the difference; you dont follow the commandments of bible/torah. I can witness that the dross had a problem and now you sustain that they use a completely different set of commandments. Thanks for educating me, that the dross do not follow the commandments. I have had a hard time with understanding why the harsh condemnation by ezekiel 22.
There are those that are resident in other countries. There are those that apply only in my building, at my job, and in my neighborhood that are different. What are you asking?
10 commandments of Moses are 'THE commandments.' I dont listen to the rabbi'd that enable the dross/israelis to keep an apartheid.
Swing and a miss. I can use the law to substantiate what ISN'T apartheid and genocide.
But israel is an apartheid as reflected in legal opinion. I have no consideration to learn the dross/israeli opinion.
So when confronted with the actual law, you would prefer to hide behind your personal interpretation of the bible. OK.
Personal.......? Defending Jews from people that are trying to condemn them as Israeli is personal.
No, you see, that's exactly the point. If you knew the law you'd know they DON'T apply.

Of course, the people of the apartheid DO NOT keep the laws of mankind or torah/bible, the 10 commandments.
I used the law and you concede that when it comes to law, you reject it in deference to your vision of biblical meaning.
Laws against illegal occupation by UN and civil society are the law. The commandments do not conflict with the law, they are about personal responsibility. Huge difference!
Thanks for clarifying your position about actual laws and how they don't matter.
Funny how you are being found incorrect and still falsely accuse, breaking the commandments. You prove my point very consistently.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Yep, mankind are equally capable to keep the commandments and laws of civil society.

Israel, apartheid lovers/dross DO NOT own the commandments. Jews keep them about naturally and are wonderful examples of how.



I see the difference; you dont follow the commandments of bible/torah. I can witness that the dross had a problem and now you sustain that they use a completely different set of commandments. Thanks for educating me, that the dross do not follow the commandments. I have had a hard time with understanding why the harsh condemnation by ezekiel 22.

10 commandments of Moses are 'THE commandments.' I dont listen to the rabbi'd that enable the dross/israelis to keep an apartheid.

But israel is an apartheid as reflected in legal opinion. I have no consideration to learn the dross/israeli opinion.

Personal.......? Defending Jews from people that are trying to condemn them as Israeli is personal.


Of course, the people of the apartheid DO NOT keep the laws of mankind or torah/bible, the 10 commandments.

Laws against illegal occupation by UN and civil society are the law. The commandments do not conflict with the law, they are about personal responsibility. Huge difference!

Funny how you are being found incorrect and still falsely accuse, breaking the commandments. You prove my point very consistently.
Mate, are you arguing with a Jew about Judaism?
 
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