IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital

[rosends]

Israel's control is in concert with Christians,
especially the more fundamentalist ones.
So Israel doesn't get full credit.

yes, this IS a more colorful conspiracy theory.

 

[Revoltingest]

yes, this IS a more colorful conspiracy theory.

It's not really a conspiracy when people
are just acting according to belief, with
no apparent coordination of action.

 

[Sargonski]

Good works but even if other claim that jews are animals, does not mean that 'we' do.

i know others contest how i view jews but I love judaism and jews as torah enabled.

? .... of course we don't claim Jews are animals ... nor Palestinians (sans the Israeli Defense Minister and friends) - that is the whole point of pointing out the appeal to authority fallacy "I follow legal opinions" .. Adolf had a legal opinion - and so does Bibi - neither should we follow.

 

[Sargonski]

yes, this IS a more colorful conspiracy theory.

That the fundamentalist religious right "LOVE - LOVE" to the point of worship Israel is not some big secret ?! Were you not aware of this love story Rose ? nor is it a secret that US gives more military support to Israel than it does to the Palestinians - a function of this love story - and other things

 

[rosends]

That the fundamentalist religious right "LOVE - LOVE" to the point of worship Israel is not some big secret ?! Were you not aware of this love story Rose ? nor is it a secret that US gives more military support to Israel than it does to the Palestinians - a function of this love story - and other things

When you decide to say something cogent and relevant in English, let me know.

 

[Sargonski]

When you decide to say something cogent and relevant in English, let me know.

The Religious Right influence in US politics really exists Rose .. is not some fantastical "Conspiracy" .. what ever that means to you .. What do you even mean by "Conspiracy" what is this silly nonsense ? .. "When you decide to say something cogent and relevant in English, let me know" har har

 

[Sargonski]

No, you don't understand the biblical texts you are trying to bring up. I can post them and we can discuss them if you would like. How's your Hebrew?

Try to follow the logic here, though I know it will be tough for you.
You wrote, "but you clearly know nothing about Zionism .. who's mandate was ethnic cleansing from the start .. beginning with the Nakba in 1948"

So the mandate was "from the start" and the nakba began in 1948. So if Zionism began well before 1948 (which you concede) and the nakba doesn't start until 1948, then there was no nakba from the beginning. Care to try again?

And did you ever wonder why Zionism includes citizenship for millions of Muslims in Israel? Why Zionism accepted the partition plan? Why Zionists PAID for land when they settled? Why Arab leaders told people to leave their lands and why Arab countries never integrated refugees after 1948 the way Israel absorbed the equivalent number of Jews who were forced to leave Arab countries?

Of course you haven't.

"You don't understand the biblical texts you bring up" she cries. "Hows your Hebrew" .. as if that is a requirement.

I am all ears .. and this is a religious site after all .. you have claimed to be an "Expert" in Judaism .. a suspect claim being you were claiming there was no Ethnic Cleansing in the text .. .. which was a laughably false ..a point on which you later admitted.

YHWH is depicted as a xenophobic genocidal God .. a Jealous God with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics .. a God who sends his Chosen people out to "Cleanse the Land" .. slaughtering every woman, child, baby and fetus during this cleansing .. sometimes even livestock..

That you do not undestand this about the Israelites .. and their God .. does not bode well for your understanding of the biblical texts brought up.
and I never claimed the nakba was from the beginning .. quit putting falsehoods in my mouth ..

The floor is yours show us these Biblical Texts I don't understand .. and we can all have a good chuckle.

 

[rosends]

The Religious Right influence in US politics really exists Rose .. is not some fantastical "Conspiracy" .. what ever that means to you .. What do you even mean by "Conspiracy" what is this silly nonsense ? .. "When you decide to say something cogent and relevant in English, let me know" har har

then, again, you aren't following what is being discussed. Claiming that Israel controls the US government and that it works "by mutual agreement or coordination" with others to control is a conspiracy theory. Here -- you can read all about it on *Staff Edit*

 

[rosends]

"You don't understand the biblical texts you bring up" she cries. "Hows your Hebrew" .. as if that is a requirement.

Yes, it is a requirement. Do you think that in depth analysis of the the founding and goals of the US government is best practiced by studying the Constitution in Russian?

I am all ears .. and this is a religious site after all .. you have claimed to be an "Expert" in Judaism .. a suspect claim being you were claiming there was no Ethnic Cleansing in the text .. .. which was a laughably false ..a point on which you later admitted.

You are pointing to some phantom interpretation of your own and yet you can't even read the biblical text in Hebrew. You are wrong on so many things that you are sure you are right about that it is sad.

YHWH is depicted as a xenophobic genocidal God .. a Jealous God with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics .. a God who sends his Chosen people out to "Cleanse the Land" .. slaughtering every woman, child, baby and fetus during this cleansing .. sometimes even livestock..

That would indeed be your misinterpretation of the text based on your sterile and literal reading of the biblical text.

That you do not undestand this about the Israelites .. and their God .. does not bode well for your understanding of the biblical texts brought up.
and I never claimed the nakba was from the beginning .. quit putting falsehoods in my mouth ..

The floor is yours show us these Biblical Texts I don't understand .. and we can all have a good chuckle.

You haven't shown any texts, just this phrase you keep throwing around condemning God as you understand the bible. What biblical text do you have in mind and why do you assume that the interpretation you have of it is right? Maybe instead of random claims, you might want to delve into the text first. I can provide whatever text you want in the Hebrew and we can discuss the words, the context and he meaning. Or do you want to stick your fingers in your ears and continue being wrong?

 

[Sargonski]

And that is clearly not the intent of Israel's response to October 7th.

Clearly is the intent - and part of a response ongoing for 7 decades .. Cleansing the Land .. From the River to the Sea .. the intent of the Zionists .. and the extreme religious right .. who have joined hands .. in the cleansing of the land . Using terms such as Amalek .. Surely you know the Amalekites from the Bible Jay .. why don't you tell us who were they

 

[Sargonski]

Yes, it is a requirement. Do you think that in depth analysis of the the founding and goals of the US government is best practiced by studying the Constitution in Russian?

You are pointing to some phantom interpretation of your own and yet you can't even read the biblical text in Hebrew. You are wrong on so many things that you are sure you are right about that it is sad.

That would indeed be your misinterpretation of the text based on your sterile and literal reading of the biblical text.

You haven't shown any texts, just this phrase you keep throwing around condemning God as you understand the bible. What biblical text do you have in mind and why do you assume that the interpretation you have of it is right? Maybe instead of random claims, you might want to delve into the text first. I can provide whatever text you want in the Hebrew and we can discuss the words, the context and he meaning. Or do you want to stick your fingers in your ears and continue being wrong?

Of course knowing Hebrew is not a requirement to understand the Bible Texts .. that is pure silly false nonsense on steroids.

You cried out - "You don't understand the texts you bring up" in the previous post, and now you cry out "You haven't shown any texts"

Which is it Rose .. have I brought up any texts or not .. and even if not .. which texts related to cleansing of the land do I not understand ? Do you want to tell us about the Amalekites Rose ? How about those Texts of Ethnic Cleansing .. which we don't understand but you are going to explain them to us..

 

[rosends]

Of course knowing Hebrew is not a requirement to understand the Bible Texts .. that is pure silly false nonsense on steroids.

No, that is called intellectual honesty when studying.

You cried out - "You don't understand the texts you bring up" in the previous post, and now you cry out "You haven't shown any texts"

Because you have raised (brought up) text without citing it. If you have cited some actual text instead of just raising notions, I apologize. Please direct me to the post in which you actual showed (some translation of) texts and I'll try to help you.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, that is called intellectual honesty when studying.

Because you have raised (brought up) text without citing it. If you have cited some actual text instead of just raising notions, I apologize. Please direct me to the post in which you actual showed (some translation of) texts and I'll try to help you.

Even Jews don't understand their own scripture.
They can't agree on its meaning.
But to be fair, it's the same thing with Christians
& Muslims. So it's silly (even dangerous) to
treat such things as "The Truth" (IMO).

We outsiders can observe how various flavors of
each faith practice the various prescriptions &
proscriptions. The resulting behaviors are more
illuminating than actually reading it.

 

[rosends]

Even Jews don't understand their own scripture.
They can't agree on its meaning.
But to be fair, it's the same thing with Christians
& Muslims. So it's silly (even dangerous) to
treat such things as "The Truth" (IMO).

We outsiders can observe how various flavors of
each faith practice the various prescriptions &
proscriptions. The resulting behaviors are more
illuminating than actually reading it.

So then the argument should not claim to cite text that has been read.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

So then the argument should not claim to cite text that has been read.

Kudos for your patience.

 

[Revoltingest]

So then the argument should not claim to cite text that has been read.

Other people will make other arguments
based upon other premises.

 

[Revoltingest]

Kudos for your patience.

As though you comprehend
what he responded to.

 

[We Never Know]

Even Jews don't understand their own scripture.
They can't agree on its meaning.
But to be fair, it's the same thing with Christians
& Muslims. So it's silly (even dangerous) to
treat such things as "The Truth" (IMO).

We outsiders can observe how various flavors of
each faith practice the various prescriptions &
proscriptions. The resulting behaviors are more
illuminating than actually reading it.

Does anyone know what the scriptures really say?
What their real meaning is?

 

[Revoltingest]

Does anyone know what the scriptures really say?
What their real meaning is?

If anyone does, how could they be proven
correct, & all other interpretations wrong?
Consider abortion.
Both sides cite scripture.

As Wolfgan Pauli said....
"Das ist nicht nur nicht ricthig,
es ist nicht einmal falsch."

 

[Orbit]

Why Israel imprisons so many Palestinians

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