IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital

[Little Dragon]

BTW, what did the Allies do during WWII against Japan and Germany for just two examples?

Once again, this is a poor comparison. I don't know why people keep making it. Peculiar...

The allies were facing a formidable industrial and military superpower, an equal. Not a bunch of extremist terrorists, with no comparable firepower, to the IDF, cowering behind innocent civilians. As filthy terrorists are want to do.

 

[Little Dragon]

I used to support Israel's right to self defense, until it began to treat the Palestinians as total garbage, with total indifference to their suffering. To be expelled or destroyed, man woman and child.

 

[Little Dragon]

"Told you not to poke the Bear" moments .. similar to what happened over in Ukraine .. speaking of Bears

We should not discuss that lest our unholy alliance here become undone.

I am a staunch and eternal supporter of Ukraine and I believe it has the right to kill and maim as many Russian invaders as possible, with all the support my nation the UK, can provide. I would "happily" support the UK declaring war on the Russian Federation. I think it is inevitable. Anyway.

 

[Revoltingest]

I used to support Israel's right to self defense, until it began to treat the Palestinians as total garbage, with total indifference to their suffering. To be expelled or destroyed, man woman and child.

I support Israel's right to self defense.
But that's not what they're doing.
It's a massacre out of vengeance.
"Eliminating Hamas" is an excuse to
kill & destroy thousands of innocents.
Israel has no humanity for Muslims.

 

[Little Dragon]

I support Israel's right to self defense.
But that's not what they're doing.
It's a massacre out of vengeance.
"Eliminating Hamas" is an excuse to
kill & destroy thousands of innocents.
Israel has no humanity for Muslims.

It's very difficult to advocate otherwise, it's not like Israeli government and legislative figures are making a big secret of their intentions. When people tell you they want to do something. Listen to them, I say.

 

[Little Dragon]

Even the people who worked there don't trust it

What about Amnesty International? A bunch of liars also I guess?

 

[Little Dragon]

It's a massacre out of vengeance.
"Eliminating Hamas" is an excuse to
kill & destroy thousands of innocents.

It could possibly go further than that, I am sure the hardliners back in Israel, would not mind seeing Gaza ethnically cleansed and re populated. If they level the city enclave of Gaza to rubble, and destroy most residential buildings and all infrastructure including roads, then that objective would effectively be completed. The Palestinians would have no choice but leave, as there would be absolutely nothing to stay for, other than constant IDF attacks and raids and more settlers...

 

[Revoltingest]

It could possibly go further than that, I am sure the hardliners back in Israel, would not mind seeing Gaza ethnically cleansed and re populated. If they level the city enclave of Gaza to rubble, and destroy most residential buildings and all infrastructure including roads, then that objective would effectively be completed. The Palestinians would have no choice but leave, as there would be absolutely nothing to stay for, other than constant IDF attacks and raids and more settlers...

I still think it's Israel's plan to evict all
Muslims from Gaza. It explains why
they're destroying it, ie, so the Gazans
have nothing to return to.
it's worked before to send in settlers,
who take possession & simply outlast
calls to give back stolen land.
**mod edit**

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What was the path forward between the IRA and England? Negotiation. Everyone thought that situation was hopeless, too.

Israel really could learn tons from the Troubles. Decades of violence, sectarian terrorism, intense hostilities that left death and destruction in its wake and it wasn't violence that ended it. Both sides had to come together and talk and be peaceful for peace's sake.

 

[Kenny]

The quotes "Human Shield" -- means I am quoting someone. This person saying that Human Sheild argument justifies the killing of civilians by Hamas And that someone was You .. when you used this same argument to justify the killing of civilians by Israel.

and of course I have protested against the killing of civilians by Hamas .. why are you asking this silly question as if the opposite is true. Are you sure it is not you who is the one who refuses to protest against the death of civilians .. mass slaughter of Children ...and Ethnic Cleansing

Look .. Amalek .. or no Amalek .. you said yourself .. this is all about punishing evil and I agree with you on that . These extremists right wing Zealots have been conducting a 7 decade long punishment of evil via Ethnic Cleansing .. punishing the "Arab Animals" like the Amalak were punished .. major crimes against humanity .. this just the latest episode in a 70 year long sitcom full of atrocity and terror.

I really can’t agree with this statement by virtue of the definition of ethnic cleansing:

ethnic cleansing

noun​

1. The systematic elimination of an ethnic group or groups from a region or society, as by deportation, forced emigration, or genocide.
2. The mass extermination or expulsion of people belonging to one ethnic or religious group by those of another.
3. The mass expulsion and killing of one ethnic or religious group in an area by another ethnic or religious group in that area.

None of these have been enacted or systematically pushed. If they had, 7 decades would have accomplished it. A real effort that would support that definition is the elimination of about 5,846,032 Jews in less than a decade. Estimated Number of Jews Killed in the Final Solution If it was ethnic cleansing, 70 years would have accomplished it. Instead we had two states and a West Bank.

If it does not match the definition, one can only wonder why it is being promoted as such and pushed. My deduction is it is an either/or/ and an agenda, a false narrative, an effort in grandstanding, a promotion of an ideologue, a lie, twisting thinking or something along those lines.

 

[rosends]

The quotes "Human Shield" -- means I am quoting someone. This person saying that Human Sheild argument justifies the killing of civilians by Hamas And that someone was You .. when you used this same argument to justify the killing of civilians by Israel.

You have completely missed the boat now. You made a statement. I quoted you. In post 527, you wrote
--

--"Human Sheild" argument does justify the killing of civilians by Hamas ..--

that's what you wrote. You put quotes around "Human Shield" nothing else, so you aren't quoting anyone else. This is YOUR position.

These extremists right wing Zealots have been conducting a 7 decade long punishment of evil via Ethnic Cleansing .. punishing the "Arab Animals"

So you are ignoring the Arabs in Israel who are very happy (I posted a video to help you understand that, but clearly you have ignored it).

like the Amalak were punished .. major crimes against humanity .. this just the latest episode in a 70 year long sitcom full of atrocity and terror.

So you think there was something wrong with God's reaction to Amalek. Got it. And completely separate from that you want to invent this notion of punishment that you claim modern Israel is participating in even though it is historically incorrect on all sorts of levels. OK.

 

[rosends]

Look above . "Primary Divinity" = Primacy and divinity of the Text.

If you think that then you don't have a very good vocabulary, or access to a good dictionary and your reading comprehension is deeply deficient.

The Likhud extremists do not represent all Israeli's .. and certainly not all Jews .. who are repulsed by the Ethnic Cleansing of the what Lukid refers to as dirty Arab Animals from the River to the Sea. Don't equate these neocon scum with all of Israel.

Hey that's great. It completely ignores what I wrote and what I was proving. But if it serves you better to run to the shelter of another topic, have fun.

 

[rosends]

US neocons or Lukid devotees don't count.

Ah, don't count. What a great way to keep yourself insulated against opinions that might vary from your personal party line.

 

[rosends]

What about Amnesty International? A bunch of liars also I guess?

so you are going to ignore what I showed you about HRW and try again with another group?

OK, happy reading

Amnesty International’s Cruel Assault on Israel: Systematic Lies, Errors, Omissions & Double Standards - ngomonitor

In February 2022, Amnesty released a 280-page report on Apartheid. As detailed in this report, the publication is fundamentally flawed, using lies, distortions, omissions, and egregious double standards to construct a fraudulent and libelous narrative of Israeli cruelty

www.ngo-monitor.org

 

[Revoltingest]

so you are going to ignore what I showed you about HRW and try again with another group?

OK, happy reading

Amnesty International’s Cruel Assault on Israel: Systematic Lies, Errors, Omissions & Double Standards - ngomonitor

In February 2022, Amnesty released a 280-page report on Apartheid. As detailed in this report, the publication is fundamentally flawed, using lies, distortions, omissions, and egregious double standards to construct a fraudulent and libelous narrative of Israeli cruelty

www.ngo-monitor.org

The linked article started off pretty histrionic.
So I wondered who they are.

NGO Monitor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Excerpted...
NGO Monitor (Non-governmental Organization Monitor) is a right-wing non-governmental organization based in Jerusalem that reports on international NGO activity from a pro-Israel perspective.[4][5][6][7]

The organization was founded in 2001 by Gerald M. Steinberg under the auspices of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, before becoming a legally and financially independent organization in 2007.[citation needed]

NGO Monitor has been criticized by academic figures, diplomats, and journalists for allowing its research and conclusions to be driven by politics,[8][9][10] for not examining right-wing NGOs,[10] and for putting out misleading information.[11] NGO Monitor's stated mission is to "end the practice used by certain self-declared 'humanitarian NGOs' of exploiting the label 'universal human rights values' to promote politically and ideologically motivated agendas".[1] A number of academics have written that NGO Monitor's aims and activities are political in nature.[10][12][9]

The organization's leader, Gerald M. Steinberg, has reportedly worked for the Israeli Foreign Ministry and the Office of the Prime Minister while heading NGO Monitor.[13]

 

[Sargonski]

I really can’t agree with this statement by virtue of the definition of ethnic cleansing:

ethnic cleansing

noun​

1. The systematic elimination of an ethnic group or groups from a region or society, as by deportation, forced emigration, or genocide.
2. The mass extermination or expulsion of people belonging to one ethnic or religious group by those of another.
3. The mass expulsion and killing of one ethnic or religious group in an area by another ethnic or religious group in that area.

None of these have been enacted or systematically pushed. If they had, 7 decades would have accomplished it. A real effort that would support that definition is the elimination of about 5,846,032 Jews in less than a decade. Estimated Number of Jews Killed in the Final Solution If it was ethnic cleansing, 70 years would have accomplished it. Instead we had two states and a West Bank.

If it does not match the definition, one can only wonder why it is being promoted as such and pushed. My deduction is it is an either/or/ and an agenda, a false narrative, an effort in grandstanding, a promotion of an ideologue, a lie, twisting thinking or something along those lines.

1) is completely met .. as is 2) ... starting with the Nakba
"Between 1947 and 1949, at least 750,000 Palestinians from a 1.9 million population were made refugees beyond the borders of the state. Zionist forces had taken more than 78 percent of historic Palestine, ethnically cleansed and destroyed about 530 villages and cities, and killed about 15,000 Palestinians in a series of mass atrocities, including more than 70 massacres"


What doesn't meet the definition "Systematic elimination of an ethnic group from a region or society as by deportation, forced emigration.

Any slaughter that occurs gets bonus points on the Ethnic Cleansing Scale.

but, ...." The Nakba did not start or end in 1948 "​

The Nakba did not start or end in 1948

 

[Kenny]

1) is completely met .. as is 2) ... starting with the Nakba
"Between 1947 and 1949, at least 750,000 Palestinians from a 1.9 million population were made refugees beyond the borders of the state. Zionist forces had taken more than 78 percent of historic Palestine, ethnically cleansed and destroyed about 530 villages and cities, and killed about 15,000 Palestinians in a series of mass atrocities, including more than 70 massacres"


What doesn't meet the definition "Systematic elimination of an ethnic group from a region or society as by deportation, forced emigration.

Any slaughter that occurs gets bonus points on the Ethnic Cleansing Scale.

but, ...." The Nakba did not start or end in 1948 "​

The Nakba did not start or end in 1948

hmmm… that is another falsified and twisted statement. The Arab/Israeli was going and there are always displacements in a war.

Why did you omit the fact that after the war Palestinians came back and continued to grow?

What is your agenda here? Can I trust what you are sharing? Not sure now.

 

[Sargonski]

You have completely missed the boat now. You made a statement. I quoted you. In post 527, you wrote
--

--"Human Sheild" argument does justify the killing of civilians by Hamas ..--

that's what you wrote. You put quotes around "Human Shield" nothing else, so you aren't quoting anyone else. This is YOUR position.

So you are ignoring the Arabs in Israel who are very happy (I posted a video to help you understand that, but clearly you have ignored it).

So you think there was something wrong with God's reaction to Amalek. Got it. And completely separate from that you want to invent this notion of punishment that you claim modern Israel is participating in even though it is historically incorrect on all sorts of levels. OK.

I told you .. My position is that the Human Sheild Argument does not justify killing of civilians. "Your" human shield argument is that it does justifies the killing of civilians. You were the one that brought up the Human Sheild argument ... as justification for the killing of civilians. My comment was simply that what is good for goose .. is good for gander .. you understand ? Your rule for Israel applies equally to Hamas -- as Israel uses Human Sheilds .. same as Hamas .. all those Kibbutz folk -- among them is armed militia .. so .. civilians are fair game according to your Human Sheild Argument.

I did not ignore any happy Arabs .. because there are none who are happy with the Ethnic Cleansing of Arabs .. what a ridiculous comment.

You ask " is something wrong with God's Reaction" .. What God's reaction .. to what ? What did the Amalak - and the various towns and peoples who were cleansed .. do to offend which God .. are you referring to Lord YHWH ? Let us assume this is the name of this nameless mystery God you keep on referring to .. because you don't know the name of your God but we need to call her something to distinguish between God and Goddess.

Reaction to what ? what did the Cleansed do to deserve the Cleansing ..

 

[Sargonski]

If you think that then you don't have a very good vocabulary, or access to a good dictionary and your reading comprehension is deeply deficient.

Hey that's great. It completely ignores what I wrote and what I was proving. But if it serves you better to run to the shelter of another topic, have fun.

You didn't prove anything .. what did you prove that I ignored ? You made some nonsense accusation that you can't back up .. and now "run for the shelter" of some dark rabbit hole .. what did you prove that was ignored.

 

[Sargonski]

Ah, don't count. What a great way to keep yourself insulated against opinions that might vary from your personal party line.

Why would the Lukid vote count - in a contest where the uber partisan do not get counted ? .. not an opinion .. Did you not understand the rules of the game ? your lack of understanding of said rules .. is not my opinion Rose.

Somethign else that is not my opinion is this nasty Ethnic Cleansing operation by the Zionist faction and the extreme religious right.. in some unholy union. Something that is my opinion .. The Hague is too good for Bibi and Biden ..