IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital

[Revoltingest]

I'm sure Israel captures and ties up kids (probably crying and screaming) and shoots them dead like Hamas does.

It's so much better to bomb kids.
Then the perpetrators sitting in their bunkers
won't see who they kill, won't know who or
how many they are, & will have no blood on
their hands when they return home to sleep
like babies, knowing that they killed only
nameless Muslims, some of whom might've
been with Hamas.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It's so much better to bomb kids.
Then the perpetrators sitting in their bunkers
won't see who they kill, won't know who or
how many they are, & will have no blood on
their hands when they return home to sleep
like babies, knowing that they killed only
nameless Muslims, some of whom might've
been with Hamas.

Refer back to post IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital
and play back on infinite loop.

 

[Revoltingest]

Refer back to post IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital
and play back on infinite loop.

Good reason to kill so many children, eh.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Good reason to kill so many children, eh.

I'd side with the ones who harbor less intent and motivation to have to do things like this.

Hamas even uses and kills its own children with impunity.

Use of child suicide bombers by Palestinian militant groups - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tell me how Israel is their equal here?

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd side with the ones who harbor less intent and motivation to have to do things like this.

Thus making war crimes OK, eh.

Hamas even uses and kills its own children with impunity.

Thus making them fair game for Israel to massacre, eh.

Use of child suicide bombers by Palestinian militant groups - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tell me how Israel is their equal here?

Israel is not equal.
It is far worse in the scale of oppression, death, & destruction.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I'd side with the ones who harbor less intent and motivation to have to do things like this.

Hamas even uses and kills its own children with impunity.

Use of child suicide bombers by Palestinian militant groups - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tell me how Israel is their equal here?

You're right, they should let Israel do it instead. They're clearly much better at it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You're right, they should let Israel do it instead. They're clearly much better at it.

I don't think they can even closely match what Hamas does to children.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I don't think they can even closely match what Hamas does to children.

I dunno. They've killed thousands, and deprived hundreds of thousands access to food, medicine, energy and fuel.

Seems bad.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I dunno. They've killed thousands, and deprived hundreds of thousands access to food, medicine, energy and fuel.

Seems bad.

Tragically in recent rounds yes. It's not like Israel didn't first try to warn of the impending danger through the use of flyers back in October to warn of the impending attacks begging non combatant Palestinians to flee out of the area.

I'm sure Hamas didn't like the idea of Palestinians fleeing, and likely took measures to keep them there using the tactic of civilian shielding to discourage any assault.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Tragically in recent rounds yes. It's not like Israel didn't first try to warn of the impending danger through the use of flyers back in October to warn of the impending attacks begging non combatant Palestinians to flee out of the area.

Of course, they could always just not bomb civilian areas. And it's not like they sent warning of the illegal blockade that deprived the entire civilian population of Gaza of deliveries of food, water, energy and fuel, which proves they're perfectly fine committing war crimes that disproportionately harm civilians. And it's not like they don't literally control movement into an out of Gaza. And it's not like they aren't known for bombing civilian locations with little to no pretext.

I guess providing fore-warning that you're going to commit war crimes is better than not providing fore-warning. Significantly less good than just not doing war crimes, though, I'd argue.

I'm sure Hamas didn't like the idea of Palestinians fleeing, and likely took measures to keep them there using the tactic of civilian shielding to discourage any assault.

Yes. Because Hamas suck.

Doesn't mean Israel aren't doing war crimes and indiscriminately killing Palestinian civilians.

Hamas doing terrible things to Palestinian civilians bad =/= Israel doing terrible things to Palestinian civilians good

 

[Bthoth]

Three points:
1. What did you expect to find there?

1..... A command center as published. Not a few duffle bags worth of junk that could have been put there.

2. A significant number of Hamas terrorists have changed strategic position as the IDF closed around the hospital. Some have moved south, for example. They obviously took equipment with them.

2.... is that significant number enough to empty the million plus palestinians from southern gaza. What is obvious, please be specific? The laptop looked like an old stink pad.

3. There are still the tunnels underneath the hospital.

3... Do you mean, that the tunnels are NOT there but that they must be since the 'significant number of hamas terrorists' were not identified, found or caught?


What i am wondering is how the whole city is destroyed and yet, israel is intending to go into southern gaza and uproot more refugee camps?

1... where are they going to force the civilians to go?
2....when is the hate going to end?
3.... will israel open up their borders to house the 100's of thousands of women and children?
4... how can anyone support what israel is doing?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Of course, they could always just not bomb civilian areas. And it's not like they sent warning of the illegal blockade that deprived the entire civilian population of Gaza of deliveries of food, water, energy and fuel, which proves they're perfectly fine committing war crimes that disproportionately harm civilians. And it's not like they don't literally control movement into an out of Gaza. And it's not like they aren't known for bombing civilian locations with little to no pretext.

I guess providing fore-warning that you're going to commit war crimes is better than not providing fore-warning. Significantly less good than just not doing war crimes, though, I'd argue.


Yes. Because Hamas suck.

Doesn't mean Israel aren't doing war crimes and indiscriminately killing Palestinian civilians.

Hamas doing terrible things to Palestinian civilians bad =/= Israel doing terrible things to Palestinian civilians good

Neither is good which is why it's heartbreaking for people to watch.

 

[Bthoth]

Yes, but to the degree the IDF has insisted Hamas is embeded among civilians, for all the attention given to that hospital and the "command center," it's rather an anthill than the promised mountain. Even I had my hopes up they'd finally get some of Hamas rather than blow everything up, but it looked more like they hit a minor storage shed.

at this point, i am getting the impression that IDF carried the few duffle bags of weapons into the site trying to keep US from turning on them.

If you watched the news feed showing the shelves in the MRI room, they had 2..... 50 caliper shells standing up. If a soldier had only 2 shells in storage left, they would throw the weapon away as it's too heavy to waste the energy for 2 shots.

Again, i do not trust israel's IDF. And more now that ever...... If that location is what they consider a command center, then that is not a war but a committed effort to empty out gaza to remove the population.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Neither is good which is why it's heartbreaking for people to watch.

Or, they could stop just watching and call out war crimes in order to try and prevent them. Or call for a ceasefire.

 

[Twilight Hue]

at this point, i am getting the impression that IDF carried the few duffle bags of weapons into the site trying to keep US from turning on them.

If you watched the news feed showing the shelves in the MRI room, they had 2..... 50 caliper shells standing up. If a soldier had only 2 shells in storage left, they would throw the weapon away as it's too heavy to waste the energy for 2 shots.

Again, i do not trust israel's IDF. And more now that ever...... If that location is what they consider a command center, then that is not a war but a committed effort to empty out gaza to remove the population.

It kind of reminds me of the IDF and the raid and destruction of the building that housed press offices including al Jazeera and AP offices in its quest to get at Hamas.

Gaza tower housing Al Jazeera office destroyed by Israeli attack

Israel warned residents of building, which also housed AP and residential flats, to evacuate an hour before air raid.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

From the Washington Post:

How Israel built its case to raid Gaza's al-Shifa Hospital​

It is not a flattering article. Meanwhile, I seem to notice a shift from talk about the "beating heart" of a Hamas command and control center to a Hamas command and control node.

I find myself haunted by the specter of Iraq.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

at this point, i am getting the impression that IDF carried the few duffle bags of weapons into the site trying to keep US from turning on them.

If you watched the news feed showing the shelves in the MRI room, they had 2..... 50 caliper shells standing up. If a soldier had only 2 shells in storage left, they would throw the weapon away as it's too heavy to waste the energy for 2 shots.

Again, i do not trust israel's IDF. And more now that ever...... If that location is what they consider a command center, then that is not a war but a committed effort to empty out gaza to remove the population.

Exactly. It's all laughable propaganda. The IDF is known for lying its butt off. I don't believe anything the Israeli government says. You have to reverse what they're saying for it to be anywhere close to the truth. Usually what they accuse the Palestinians of, they're actually doing.

 

[Bthoth]

It kind of reminds me of the IDF and the raid and destruction of the building that housed press offices including al Jazeera and AP offices in its quest to get at Hamas.

Gaza tower housing Al Jazeera office destroyed by Israeli attack

Israel warned residents of building, which also housed AP and residential flats, to evacuate an hour before air raid.

www.aljazeera.com

From the Washington Post:

How Israel built its case to raid Gaza's al-Shifa Hospital​

It is not a flattering article. Meanwhile, I seem to notice a shift from talk about the "beating heart" of a Hamas command and control center to a Hamas command and control node.

I find myself haunted by the specter of Iraq.

I know the constant converting of information is disgusting.

And also this last month Iran has been identified as committing a proxy war using lebannon/hamas and next they could label mary poppins to bomb israel. In the first week of the attack, the US intelligence claimed that there is NO evidence that Iran is involved, but then I saw a feed expressing the weapons found were iranian. There were on shelves and boxes in a room.

I saw the images, they were russian weapons (white paint on the casings) with taped on labels that I could not read but the IDF soldier said it was iranian.

 

[Bthoth]

Because premeditated intentional murder of
children by remote control is far far better?

This raises a question....
If Hamas switches to using missiles & tanks
to kill children in Israel, would this be a great
improvement in morality?

Dont even talk like that!

NO. Never even speak of attacking israel or giving HAMAS weapons.

NOTHING good can happen from fighting the atrocity will more weapons. The people all over the world demonstrating are the only fight that is acceptable.

What SHOULD be happening is the people within ISRAEL should force their government to stop the attempt to genocide and/or remove the palestinians from the lands that israel controls.

But please NEVER speak of arms against israel. NEVER!!!!

 

[Revoltingest]

Dont even talk like that!

NO. Never even speak of attacking israel or giving HAMAS weapons.

NOTHING good can happen from fighting the atrocity will more weapons. The people all over the world demonstrating are the only fight that is acceptable.

What SHOULD be happening is the people within ISRAEL should force their government to stop the attempt to genocide and/or remove the palestinians from the lands that israel controls.

But please NEVER speak of arms against israel. NEVER!!!!

The question isn't about advocating that
Hamas kill more in the manner of Israel.
It's about how the poster applies his
standard of judgement.

Notice that when I ask uncomfortable but
illuminating questions, they go unanswered.