IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital

[metis]

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I'm a big fan of the ignore list. It serves as a useful domain for the willfully blind and the woefully ignorant alike, along with a few other categories -- but, mostly, it's a cheap way to avoid the strong temptation to violate forum rules addressing civility.​

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On the other hand, it does tend to result in seriously tattered threads, i.e., threads laced with holes labelled "You are ignoring content by this member." ​

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Well, it seems that I have good company then, so thanks for this.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The Dalai Lama taught that it might be best to not correspond with some people if it does them and/or oneself no good, and I happen to think that's pretty good advice.

Oh, please.

 

[Sargonski]

you see… you just ignored the definition

So how can one have a cogent interaction when you ignore definitions? A scientist can say “The earth is flat” and another scientist respects that scientist - should we accept it on the basis of the authority of who they are?

Of course not because the evidence says differently

So, when you can show me where there is “apartheid” when evidence that I presented says otherwise, then whoever says it (including you) is wrong.

You didn't post a definition nor state what requirement from this definition was not met so there is nothing to ignore ?

I think the President knows what meets the definition of Apartheid friend .. as does Human Rights watch

 

[Kenny]

You didn't post a definition nor state what requirement from this definition was not met so there is nothing to ignore ?

I think the President knows what meets the definition of Apartheid friend .. as does Human Rights watch

Go before that, and I defined it

You could have just looked it up but I know you are a propagandist so it wouldn’t matter anyway,.

 

[Sargonski]

Go before that, and I defined it

You could have just looked it up but I know you are a propagandist so it wouldn’t matter anyway,.

What part of .. show your definition, and the requirement of the definition that is not met .. did you not understand whilst running around screaming Propagandist Propagandist ?

 

[Sargonski]

Go before that, and I defined it

You could have just looked it up but I know you are a propagandist so it wouldn’t matter anyway,.

What part of .. show your definition, and the requirement of the definition that is not met .. did you not understand whilst running around screaming Propagandist Propagandist ?

I don't think you know what propaganda is friend.

 

[Kenny]

What part of .. show your definition, and the requirement of the definition that is not met .. did you not understand whilst running around screaming Propagandist Propagandist ?

The fact that I showed that in every aspect of Apartheid; Political, economic, social, and judicial have Arabs in the position with liberty.

No Apartheid and no ethnic cleansing (or they wouldn’t hold those positions)

And thus, what your present is propaganda which makes me wonder where you are coming from. Do you subscribe to communism? Do you hate Jews? Just trying to figure your genesis for the propaganda

 

[Sargonski]

The fact that I showed that in every aspect of Apartheid; Political, economic, social, and judicial have Arabs in the position with liberty.

No Apartheid and no ethnic cleansing (or they wouldn’t hold those positions)

And thus, what your present is propaganda which makes me wonder where you are coming from. Do you subscribe to communism? Do you hate Jews? Just trying to figure your genesis for the propaganda

Not to me you didn't -- "Do you hate Jews ?" - Well no friend - Do you beat your wife ? Just trying to figure out the genesis for this lack of ability to make a coherent argument ?

"propaganda" again he cries .. but who is the one propping up the lie that Israel is not an apartheid State.

You have not shown any of what you claim to me .. you have provided no definition of Apartheid .. nor cited one requirement that is lacking.

Quit claiming to have provided a definition .. and Post this mystery definition .. as in non of your posts to me have did you post a definition of apartheid .. followed by a requirement from that definition not met.

 

[rosends]

message 585 has the definition in it in case you were wondering.

 

[Kenny]

Not to me you didn't -- "Do you hate Jews ?" - Well no friend - Do you beat your wife ? Just trying to figure out the genesis for this lack of ability to make a coherent argument ?

Nope… I don’t lie either.

"propaganda" again he cries .. but who is the one propping up the lie that Israel is not an apartheid State.

by definition! You are the one with a false premise.

You have not shown any of what you claim to me .. you have provided no definition of Apartheid .. nor cited one requirement that is lacking.

Look it up - since I already quoted the definition once

Quit claiming to have provided a definition .. and Post this mystery definition .. as in non of your posts to me have did you post a definition of apartheid .. followed by a requirement from that definition not met.

so… why do you promote your propaganda?

 

[Kenny]

message 585 has the definition in it in case you were wondering.

I really don’t think he cares. It doesn’t fit his propaganda anti-Israel message. He did mention he was thrown off other sites for his anti-Israel stance, if memory serves me correctly. If I have the correct person, I certainly can understand why.

 

[Sargonski]

Nope… I don’t lie either.

by definition! You are the one with a false premise.



Look it up - since I already quoted the definition once


so… why do you promote your propaganda?

I did not say you lied .. -- reading comprehension lacking ... you on the other hand did use such personal invective but, I don't care .. so long as you back it up with something .. and address the topic.

You never quoted the an apartheid definition to me .. nor have you stated what required criteria is missing .. which you can state even if you fail to produce this mystery definition that you are scared to reproduce.

running around crying "False Premise" and name calling "Propagandist" is simply not an argument Brother Ken - and forgive me for talking the opinion of Human Rights watch ,, run by a Jew, which was cited for you .. over that of anonymous partisan internet chater .. who seems to not understand how to cite from a source that which is deems important to the argument.

or the opinion of the Irish UN Delegates "the Hague too good for Bibi" - or the voice of the South African President and so many more .. those who felt the heel of the foreign oppressor and occupier on their back of neck. and thus have some empathy in the matter .. over that of partisan anonymous internet chatter who thinks name -calling is argument for sometin.

Now for the umpteenth time .. What requisite criteria is missing from your definition of Apartheid ? .. then if someone were wanting to look .. they would at least know what to look for.

 

[InChrist]

I am seriously sickened by "Christians" cheerleading for the Zionist state when Zionism is nothing but blasphemy and heresy that goes against what the Bible says, as well what Christianity and Judaism taught for centuries. Especially when hatred of Christ and Christians is common among Israeli society and among members of the government. They spit on Christians and assault them, and desecrate churches. They bomb churches and kill Christian Palestianians. And these "Christian" Zionist cowards have nothing to say about their own brothers and sisters in Christ being attacked, but rush to defend extremist Jews who hate Christ and Christians. If anything, the God of Abraham is going to destroy that criminal, hubristic affront to Him. I'd honestly advise people to stay away from that country. I have a very bad feeling about the near future there.

What is a Christian Zionist? A Christian who believes that Israel has the right to exist as a nation in the land promised to them by God through an eternal covenant. The word "Israel" is found 2,565 times in 2,293 verses in the King James translation of the Bible, while "Jerusalem" is found 811 time in 764 verses. At least a dozen times God is called the "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” and He is called "the God of Israel" 203 times. A major portion of the prophetic biblical scriptures is in reference for the future of Israel, the nations, and the world.


It took less than a week for the world to take sides either with Israel or with the Palestinians, not to mention Hamas…with chants of “from the river to the sea” which is actually a demand for Israel’s destruction. To get on board with this sentiment, I think is to participate in satan’s ongoing hatred against Israel and the Jewish people and his attempted goal of their annihilation. From my perspective, to hate Israel is to hate the God of Israel, the Creator of heaven and earth.

 

[Revoltingest]

To get on board with this sentiment, I think is to participate in satan’s ongoing hatred against Israel and the Jewish people and his attempted goal of their annihilation. From my perspective, to hate Israel is to hate the God of Israel, the Creator of heaven and earth.

Another view is to hate Israel for being so deadly,
oppressive, & destructive to Muslims. Sure, there's
hatred in both directions, but Israel is the greater evil,
with the higher kill ratio, land theft, war crimes, etc.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What is a Christian Zionist? A Christian who believes that Israel has the right to exist as a nation in the land promised to them by God through an eternal covenant. The word "Israel" is found 2,565 times in 2,293 verses in the King James translation of the Bible, while "Jerusalem" is found 811 time in 764 verses. At least a dozen times God is called the "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” and He is called "the God of Israel" 203 times. A major portion of the prophetic biblical scriptures is in reference for the future of Israel, the nations, and the world.


It took less than a week for the world to take sides either with Israel or with the Palestinians, not to mention Hamas…with chants of “from the river to the sea” which is actually a demand for Israel’s destruction. To get on board with this sentiment, I think is to participate in satan’s ongoing hatred against Israel and the Jewish people and his attempted goal of their annihilation. From my perspective, to hate Israel is to hate the God of Israel, the Creator of heaven and earth.

Israel is a spiritual nation of God's people. God scattered the Jewish people from that land close to 2,000 years ago and allowed the Romans to destroy the Temple, then centuries later, He allowed the Muslims to plop Al-Aqsa Mosque ontop of the Temple Mount. God allowed the Jews to dwell in the Land of Israel with conditions, which they obviously broke, such as by rejecting the Messiah God sent to them. I think God has made His feelings known.

He would bring them back to the Land by His own doing but Zionism tries to force it through the work of men. It is hubris, taking by force which only God has the right to give, if you want to talk about religion here. The state of Israel is an imposter. It's not the real Israel. It's not a nation-state you can have worldly citizenship in. Religious Zionism is nothing but heresy and blasphemy, mixed with worldly nationalism.

 

[InChrist]

Israel is a spiritual nation of God's people. God scattered the Jewish people from that land close to 2,000 years ago and allowed the Romans to destroy the Temple, then centuries later, He allowed the Muslims to plop Al-Aqsa Mosque ontop of the Temple Mount. God allowed the Jews to dwell in the Land of Israel with conditions, which they obviously broke, such as by rejecting the Messiah God sent to them. I think God has made His feelings known.

He would bring them back to the Land by His own doing but Zionism tries to force it through the work of men. It is hubris, taking by force which only God has the right to give, if you want to talk about religion here. The state of Israel is an imposter. It's not the real Israel. It's not a nation-state you can have worldly citizenship in. Religious Zionism is nothing but heresy and blasphemy, mixed with worldly nationalism.

While I appreciate your perspective and certainly think you’re entitled to it, I don’t agree. I see God as actively working through history and human activity or in spite of human actions. I definitely don’t think the re-establishment of the nation of Israel in 1948 was merely the work of men, nor could have taken place without God’s sovereign hand directing events. No doubt in my mind that Israel is the real Israel, back in the land (in unbelief at present), in fulfillment of God’s prophetic plan.

 

[Godobeyer]

Unedited?
Johnny depp should respond you this.

 

[Revoltingest]

I definitely don’t think the re-establishment of the nation of Israel in 1948 was merely the work of men, nor could have taken place without God’s sovereign hand directing events. No doubt in my mind that Israel is the real Israel, back in the land (in unbelief at present), in fulfillment of God’s prophetic plan.

And that's a problem I see.
When doing "God's work", violence, oppression,
theft, & murder become justified. That's one
evil God you have there.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

While I appreciate your perspective and certainly think you’re entitled to it, I don’t agree. I see God as actively working through history and human activity or in spite of human actions. I definitely don’t think the re-establishment of the nation of Israel in 1948 was merely the work of men, nor could have taken place without God’s sovereign hand directing events. No doubt in my mind that Israel is the real Israel, back in the land (in unbelief at present), in fulfillment of God’s prophetic plan.

Yeah, I don't believe in Dispensationalism, which is an invention of 19th century American and British Evangelicals. I tend to hold more traditional views on Christian theology, from Catholicism and Orthodoxy. So religious Zionism is a heresy to me. I certainly believe God still acts in history, and will soon act again, but to punish us. He's already punishing the West with the decline of our societies and that's going to get worse. I certainly don't think God moves through the UN or British colonialism, which founded the state of Israel.

 

[InChrist]

And that's a problem I see.
When doing "God's work", violence, oppression,
theft, & murder become justified. That's one
evil God you have there.

I didn’t say anyone is doing God’s work, nor would the claim to be doing God’s work justify violence, oppression, etc. Just saying that there is an important spiritual dimension happening and if one is unaware, then I think understanding is hindered.