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If Christ comes today, how do you know it is really Him?

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
It means He will come again as King of kings in judgment…


Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him wascalled Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes werelike a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He [a]had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in [b]fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a [c]sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on Hisrobe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.

Revelation 18:11-19


Various references to the final seven years are in both the OT, especially the book of Daniel, and the NT…

“Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is associated with the day of the Lord, that time during which God personally intervenes in history to accomplish His plan (see Isaiah 2:12; 13:6–9; Joel 1:15; 2:1–31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2). It is referred to as “tribulation . . . in the latter days” (Deuteronomy 4:30, ESV); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); “a time of distress” (Daniel 12:1); and “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7, NKJV). And we have this description of the tribulation that attends the day of the Lord:”




The 1000 year reign of Christ…


And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received hismark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. Revelation 20:4-6

Then what do you make of these words of Christ, in the context of the 1000 years reign of Christ:

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24


"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man." Luke 17:26
 

PearlSeeker

Well-Known Member
That is a valid perspective because the men who wrote Matthew and Mark probably believed that Jesus was coming back to earth.
However, that does not mean that Jesus was planning to come back to earth, because in John, Jesus said His work was finished here and he was no more in the world (John 14:19, John 16:10, John 17:4, John 17:11, John 19:30).

Here is a commentary why this sounds like a contradiction but it's not:

John 17:11​
And now I am no more in the world
In the earth; which is no contradiction to his resurrection from the dead, and stay with his disciples for a while; nor to his return to judge the world at the last day; nor to his reigning on earth with his saints a thousand years; since it will not be the world as it now is, but it will be a new earth, renewed, purified and refined, and clear of the wicked inhabitants of it; and in which will only dwell righteous persons: besides, Christ was to be, and will be no more in the world, in such circumstances, and doing such work as he then was: the meaning is, that whereas he had been in the world, and had done, or as good as done the work he came about, he was now just going out of it; it was but a very little while he had to stay in it; nor should he continue long with his disciples when he rose from the dead; and whereas his bodily presence had been a guard unto them, a protection of them, and he had bore the heat and burden of the day for them, and had took all reproaches and persecutions upon himself, now he was going from them.​

Source:

All the verses are in the third person, e.g., ye shall see the Son of man.

Speaking of self in third person is a rethorical method called illeism. It was used by Jesus and also OT kings and Yahweh.

Proof - Luke 22:47-48
While he was still speaking, there came a crowd, and the man called Judas, one of the twelve, was leading them. He drew near to Jesus to kiss him, but Jesus said to him, "Judas, would you betray the Son of Man with a kiss? "

The Holy Spirit did come at Pentecost, but then it came again in the last days. Many times I have explained to Christians why the Spirit of truth is not the Holy Spirit that came at Pentecost.
Yes, I remember. I understand that the way GofJohn speaks about the Holy Spirit makes you think it's about Baháʼu'lláh.

But show me some verses where Jesus says that He is coming back to earth to judge on judgment day.
@CG Didymus has shown you such verse where Jesus himself says this. See also the illeism example above.
 
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PearlSeeker

Well-Known Member
Then what do you make of these words of Christ, in the context of the 1000 years reign of Christ:

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24


"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man." Luke 17:26
These words are not about the 1000years reign. They are about the the time right before judgment. People will be unprepared and wouldn't believe the judgment will happen. And then when the judgment comes the world will be purged of all the wicked (just as in the flood story).
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
These words are not about the 1000years reign. They are about the the time right before judgment. People will be unprepared and wouldn't believe the judgment will happen. And then when the judgment comes the world will be purged of all the wicked (just as in the flood story).

So, you think those verses, which says, Days of Son of Man, is like Days of Noah, are about before Christ comes, not after?
If so, Where in the verse it says, that is about the time before Christ?
 

PearlSeeker

Well-Known Member
So, you think those verses, which says, Days of Son of Man, is like Days of Noah, are about before Christ comes, not after?
If so, Where in the verse it says, that is about the time before Christ?
Emphasis added:

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark...

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

It's about the days just before the flood came - the same will be in the days just before Son of man comes.
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
Emphasis added:

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark...

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


But, Noah came before the flood, and so, the Son of Man comes before the flood.



"But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Matt 24



Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man." Luke 17:26







It is comparing Days of Noah, with Days of Son of Man. It is not comparing "coming of Son of Man", with "flood".

It is saying, just as when Noah came, He warned people about Flood, then made the Ark, and then flood came, so, it will happen, when the Son of man comes, in His Days.



"Days of son of Man", refers to the time, the Son of man will have come.

How can the time before His coming be called "Days of Son of Man"?

That would be like, if one says, before Jesus came the first time, it was Days of Jesus.

It's about the days just before the flood came - the same will be in the days just before Son of man comes.


Flood came, when Noah was 600 years old. That means that when 600 years was passed of "Days of Noah", flood came. Now compare that, with Days of Son of Man in His time. If we say, there will be a flood or disaster before coming of Son of Man, it does not match with the stroy of Noah, for in the Days of Noah, flood came after Noah, not before.
 
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PearlSeeker

Well-Known Member
But, Noah came before the flood, and so, the Son of Man comes before the flood.



"But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Matt 24



Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man." Luke 17:26







It is comparing Days of Noah, with Days of Son of Man. It is not comparing "coming of Son of Man", with "flood".

It is saying, just as when Noah came, He warned people about Flood, then made the Ark, and then flood came, so, it will happen, when the Son of man comes, in His Days.



"Days of son of Man", refers to the time, the Son of man will have come.

How can the time before His coming be called "Days of Son of Man"?

That would be like, if one says, before Jesus came the first time, it was Days of Jesus.




Flood came, when Noah was 600 years old. That means that when 600 years was passed of "Days of Noah", flood came. Now compare that, with Days of Son of Man in His time. If we say, there will be a flood or disaster before coming of Son of Man, it does not match with the stroy of Noah, for in the Days of Noah, flood came after Noah, not before.
I t's comparing days of Noah with days of Son of Man but not comparing Noah with Son of man. Son of man has a different function. He won't come to warn. He will come to fulfill judgement and the flood has the same function as the judgement.
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Being asked by the Pharisees when God’s Kingdom would come, he answered them, “God’s Kingdom doesn’t come with observation; neither will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘Look, there!’ for behold, God’s Kingdom is within you.” Luke 17:20-21
^^^^This^^^^^
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
That is because his predicted return was during the lives of the twelve disciples. Oh wait a second, Jesus often referred to himself as the son of man. So if he said that the son of man will return, that is him predicting his own return.
Act 2: 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 ‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out My Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on My menservants and maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20 The sun will be turned to darkness,
and the moon to blood, before the coming of the great and glorious Day of the Lord.
21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’


Why not an on-going occurrence? Why do we limit God's word so? Why does "truth" have to be from miracle workers or leaders with commanding personalities?

Jesus would not have been known to us if not for Paul and his notoriety, but that does not make his teachings any less important. God speaks through all, IMO, in whispers.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Act 2: 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 ‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out My Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on My menservants and maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20 The sun will be turned to darkness,
and the moon to blood, before the coming of the great and glorious Day of the Lord.
21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’


Why not an on-going occurrence? Why do we limit God's word so? Why does "truth" have to be from miracle workers or leaders with commanding personalities?

Jesus would not have been known to us if not for Paul and his notoriety, but that does not make his teachings any less important. God speaks through all, IMO, in whispers.
I do not believe in the Bible. But when people try to support the Bible using a very limited approach I can use the same approach to refute it.
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
I t's comparing days of Noah with days of Son of Man but not comparing Noah with Son of man.

Yap. It is comparing Days of Son of Man, with Days of Noah.
so, what was happening in the Days of Noah? The same is said, would happen, when Christ comes again.

Son of man has a different function. He won't come to warn.

This is as assumption, that you think, the Christ would not warn. In fact, If the Days of Son of Man, is the same as Days of Noah, it means, the same things would happen. (Period). It means, a catastrophe would happen. The Son of Man, must then build a new Ark, in His own time, to save the people from that disaster.


He will come to fulfill judgement and the flood has the same function as the judgement.

Please explain How would a flood, have the same function as Judgement?
First, what do you mean "He comes to fulfill Judgement"? And then show how a flood would accomplish that function.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Matthew 24:11
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Do you know anything about logic? Jesus said that many false prophets would come and deceive many because he knew that would happen, and that is what has happened, but the fact that many false prophets have come doesn't mean that a true prophet can't come.
That is illogical because it is the fallacy of hasty generalization to say that just because most prophets are false all prophets are false.

The fact that many people have made the claim to be a Prophet of God does not prove that the claim of Baha’u’llah was false, logically speaking. It is the Fallacy of Hasty Generalization to say that because most were false all were false.

Hasty generalization is an informal fallacy of faulty generalization by reaching an inductive generalization based on insufficient evidence—essentially making a hasty conclusion without considering all of the variables.

Faulty generalization - Wikipedia

If you assume, without any evidence (not having researched the claim of Baha’u’llah) that Baha’u’llah was a false prophet you have based your conclusion on “insufficient evidence,” essentially making a hasty conclusion without considering all of the variables.

Hasty generalization usually shows this pattern:
  1. prophet a was a false prophet
  2. prophet b was a false prophet
  3. prophet c was a false prophet
  4. prophet d was a false prophet
  5. Therefore, prophet e (in this case Baha’u’llah) was a false prophet
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Aside from that, if there were never going to be any more true prophets after Jesus, and besides Jesus, who would Jesus say the following?.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Here is a commentary why this sounds like a contradiction but it's not:

John 17:11​
And now I am no more in the world
In the earth; which is no contradiction to his resurrection from the dead, and stay with his disciples for a while; nor to his return to judge the world at the last day; nor to his reigning on earth with his saints a thousand years; since it will not be the world as it now is, but it will be a new earth, renewed, purified and refined, and clear of the wicked inhabitants of it; and in which will only dwell righteous persons: besides, Christ was to be, and will be no more in the world, in such circumstances, and doing such work as he then was: the meaning is, that whereas he had been in the world, and had done, or as good as done the work he came about, he was now just going out of it; it was but a very little while he had to stay in it; nor should he continue long with his disciples when he rose from the dead; and whereas his bodily presence had been a guard unto them, a protection of them, and he had bore the heat and burden of the day for them, and had took all reproaches and persecutions upon himself, now he was going from them.​

Source:
No more means no more, but Christians cannot face reality so they try to come up with an explanation for what Jesus said.

You are free to believe whatever you want to and you will. I am not going to argue with you.

Christians will continue to wait until hell freezes over for Jesus to return in the same body and FIX everything that is wrong in this world.
Meanwhile the conditions on earth are going to hell in a bread basket. I consider waiting for Jesus to be immoral, but there is nothing I can do about it and it is not my responsibility.

Christians will continue to wait for the same Jesus to return to earth for one reason and one reason alone, because they are emotionally attached to the IDEA of the same Jesus returning to earth, so in their minds it cannot be another man who is the return of Christ. But Jesus never promised to return, not even once in the New Testament. Jesus said his work was finished here and he was no more in the world. You cannot change what was canonized into your own Bible and it has one plain meaning.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.


Jesus never claimed to be a king, and Jesus never said He was coming back to judge the earth and establish an earthly Kingdom

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.


These two verses in John 18 completely negate that Jesus is the King of this world or that Jesus will ever come to this world to rule it, and they fit perfectly together with John 17:4 and John 17:11. Jesus came into this world to bear witness unto the truth about God. He did that so there is no more reason for Jesus to come back to this world again. That is why Jesus said “I am no more in the world.”
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Going through some things that relate to this discussion, I came across where Baha'is say that the "prince of this world" is their prophet.

Thou didst ask as to chapter 14, verse 30 of the Gospel of John, where the Lord Christ saith, ’Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the Prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.’ The Prince of this world is the Blessed Beauty [Baha’u’llah]; and ’hath nothing in Me’ signifieth: after Me all will draw grace from Me, but He is independent of Me, and will draw no grace from Me. That is, He is rich beyond any grace of Mine. – Abdu’l-Baha, Selections From the Writings of Abdu’l-Baha, p. 171.
According to Christian interpreters, John 14:30 has two parallels, which are as follows:​
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. – John 12:31.​
Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. – John 16:11.​
Suffice it to say that Abdu’l-Baha has interpreted John 14:30 only, not John 12:31 or John 16:11. One reason may be that, elsewhere, Abdu’l-Baha makes clear that no Satan exists:​
That is very interesting. I did not realize that
Baha'is say that the "prince of this world “ is their prophet.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
And other Gospels have other claims. You can support almost any belief with the Bible since it is quite often on both sides of an issue.
How can anyone believe that the Bible is true given it contradicts itself so much?

I believe that the Bible contains certain spiritual truths but cannot believe it is true as a whole and I don't believe it is the Word of God.
The Bible is the words of men who were allegedly inspired by God, but why should I believe they were inspired by God? Where is the evidence?
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Then what do you make of these words of Christ, in the context of the 1000 years reign of Christ:

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24


"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man." Luke 17:26
I believe the scriptures referring to the coming of Christ “as in the days of Noah” are concerning His unexpected coming in the clouds only, not to the earth, to take believers (His church) off the earth before the Tribulation Period, which is then followed by Jesus’ return to the earth in power and glory to rule and reign for 1000 years.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”
(1 Thess, 4:16-18).
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
That is very interesting. I did not realize that
Baha'is say that the "prince of this world “ is their prophet.
Baha'is also believe that Baha'u'llah was the Prince of Peace and the Lord of hosts..

Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Baha'is believe that world peace will be established during the dispensation of Baha'u'llah, which will last no less than 1000 years (from 1852 AD, which is when Baha'u'llah received His first revelations from God). Please note that the prophecy does not say 'when' peace will be established, but where it says there shall be no end to the peace that indicates that it won't happen all at once but rather it will unfold gradually. That is exactly what is happening right now. The same is true for the government. It says that there shall be 'no end' to the government which means it will begin and be established gradually and continue to develop over time. The government will be more developed in the future as the prophecy says (increase in government).

Baha’u’llah set up a 'system of government' and it has already been established among the Baha’is. The institutions of that government are fully operational, but still in their infancy. What we now refer to as Local Spiritual assemblies (LSAs) and will eventually evolve into what will be called Houses of Justice.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Baha'is also believe that Baha'u'llah was the Prince of Peace and the Lord of hosts..

Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Baha'is believe that world peace will be established during the dispensation of Baha'u'llah, which will last no less than 1000 years (from 1852 AD, which is when Baha'u'llah received His first revelations from God). Please note that the prophecy does not say 'when' peace will be established, but where it says there shall be no end to the peace that indicates that it won't happen all at once but rather it will unfold gradually. That is exactly what is happening right now. The same is true for the government. It says that there shall be 'no end' to the government which means it will begin and be established gradually and continue to develop over time. The government will be more developed in the future as the prophecy says (increase in government).

Baha’u’llah set up a 'system of government' and it has already been established among the Baha’is. The institutions of that government are fully operational, but still in their infancy. What we now refer to as Local Spiritual assemblies (LSAs) and will eventually evolve into what will be called Houses of Justice.
That is very interesting. I have not been that familiar with Baha’i teaching. I can see how some of these views will make it very easy for one to become susceptible to falling in line with the coming antichrist and one world government.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
That is very interesting. I have not been that familiar with Baha’i teaching. I can see how some of these views will make it very easy for one to become susceptible to falling in line with the coming antichrist and one world government.
Baha'is are not planning to establish one world government in the sense that you think.



Baha'u'llah was not against Christ, quite the contrary. Referring to Jesus as the Son of Man, He wrote:

“Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit.

We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified.

Leprosy may be interpreted as any veil that interveneth between man and the recognition of the Lord, his God. Whoso alloweth himself to be shut out from Him is indeed a leper, who shall not be remembered in the Kingdom of God, the Mighty, the All-Praised. We bear witness that through the power of the Word of God every leper was cleansed, every sickness was healed, every human infirmity was banished. He it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 85-86


Regarding the antichrist we know that Baha’u’llah cannot be the Anti-Christ because..........

The Bible says that the Anti-Christ:

1. Denies that Jesus is the Christ.
** Baha'u'llah affirms that Jesus is the Christ.

1 John Chapter 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

2. Denies the Father and the Son. ** Baha'u'llah affirms the Father and the Son.

1 John Chapter 2
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

3. Denies that Jesus came in the flesh and cleansed us of sin.
** Baha'u'llah affirms that Jesus came in the flesh and cleansed us of sin.

1 John Chapter 4
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
** Baha'u'llah confessed that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
** Baha'u'llah was not already in the world when John was written.

1 John Chapter 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
** Baha'u'llah wrote that Jesus cleansed us of sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
** Baha'u'llah acknowledged that we have sin.

4. Is equated with deceivers and linked with false prophets.

1 John Chapter 4

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
** Baha'u'llah is not linked to any false prophets because He had good fruits (Matthew 7:16-20).

5. Is already in the world during the writing of the epistles of John (100 AD)

1 John Chapter 4

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
** Baha'u'llah was not already in the world when John was written.

6. Is a former Christian.

1 John Chapter 2

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
** Baha'u'llah was not a former Christian. He was a former Muslim.
 
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