If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[godnotgod]

If all things are unreal, why, how, where your 'universal consciousness' exists? Then non-existence is 'the reality'. Do you agree with that?

No. Universal Consciousness does not exist in Time or Space. It neither exists, nor not-exists, as it is non-dual. It is Pure Being, which has no opposite, and that is because it is The Absolute, the only true Reality. Brahman.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Ah, God is not bound by time and space. Supra-natural. Special pleading. I have heard that.

 

[`mud]

" 'time' and 'space' ",
does this interpretation include future 'time' ?
The entering into the existance of nothingness,
where 'time' doesn't exist, also distance, or direction !
And 'space'.....there will be none of it...nothingness !
~
'time' and 'space'..........there exists neither !
~
'mud

 

[godnotgod]

Ah, God is not bound by time and space. Supra-natural. Special pleading. I have heard that.

God? Who said anything about 'God'?

 

[godnotgod]

" 'time' and 'space' ",
does this interpretation include future 'time' ?
The entering into the existance of nothingness,
where 'time' doesn't exist, also distance, or direction !
And 'space'.....there will be none of it...nothingness !
~
'time' and 'space'..........there exists neither !
~
'mud

It's all here, now, as it has always been. Because there is this 'Nothing', there is Everything.

 

[Runewolf1973]

It's all here, now, as it has always been. Because there is this 'Nothing', there is Everything.

There can be no "everything" if all is nothing. There can't even be the illusion of something if all was nothing. If all was nothing, the illusion of this very conversation (if that's all it is is an illusion) would and could not be acknowledged as such. You're stance is quite illogical. There is something. Science say's there is something. We just don't know what that something is. It is an interactive something.

 

[Aupmanyav]

If nothing changes into something, what is the reason and what is the process? If we do not know we search, no shame in that. But claims like 'universal consciousnesses' must be explained clearly..

 

[Runewolf1973]

If nothing changes into something, what is the reason and what is the process? If we do not know we search, no shame in that. But claims like 'universal consciousnesses' must be explained clearly..

I personally don't think humans are advanced or evolved enough to answer this question. Our brains are limited as much as we'd like to think we are so intelligent. The evidence for this deficiency is the fact that we still have religion and various mystic beliefs. In such ways we compensate for our inability to rationalize such things.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Information in all fields has increased exponentially in recent times. I am sure that future generations will know much more than what we know today. As it is today, not all people need God.

 

[godnotgod]

There can be no "everything" if all is nothing. There can't even be the illusion of something if all was nothing. If all was nothing, the illusion of this very conversation (if that's all it is is an illusion) would and could not be acknowledged as such. You're stance is quite illogical. There is something. Science say's there is something. We just don't know what that something is. It is an interactive something.

There is only Brahman, and Brahman is Everything. It can be Everything only because it is Nothing. Only Nothingness can be the vessel, the Source, for infinitely Everything, which we now know, thanks to Quantum Physics, is a virtual Everything; a possibility, that only appears to exist, but does not. It is an illusion; MAYA.

I thought you said The Universe can do whatever the hell it wants?

 

[godnotgod]

If nothing changes into something, what is the reason and what is the process? If we do not know we search, no shame in that. But claims like 'universal consciousnesses' must be explained clearly..

It does not change into something; it is The Changeless, appearing to change into something. The rope has not become the snake. There never was a snake.

You and I are human. As such, we have different and unique personalities and traits. But underneath all differences is the same consciousness: Universal Consciousness. But that UC is not a personal consciousness, which is an aspect of our unique personality; it is the consciousness of the Universe itself.

ie; "the saltiness of the sea is the same everywhere"

You are the Universe, looking at itself through your eyes, with Pure Consciousness.

 

[godnotgod]

I personally don't think humans are advanced or evolved enough to answer this question. Our brains are limited as much as we'd like to think we are so intelligent. The evidence for this deficiency is the fact that we still have religion and various mystic beliefs. In such ways we compensate for our inability to rationalize such things.

Maybe the answers we seek are not in the brain.

 

[godnotgod]

 

[Runewolf1973]

There is only Brahman, and Brahman is Everything. It can be Everything only because it is Nothing. Only Nothingness can be the vessel, the Source, for infinitely Everything, which we now know, thanks to Quantum Physics, is a virtual Everything; a possibility, that only appears to exist, but does not. It is an illusion; MAYA.

I thought you said The Universe can do whatever the hell it wants?

Why do you persist in this illusion?

 

[Runewolf1973]

Maybe the answers we seek are not in the brain.

Maybe not.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The rope has not become the snake. .. "the saltiness of the sea is the same everywhere"

Being an 'advaitist', I understand that well. But where is the 'rope'? Where is the 'salt'? Where from have they arisen? What is the medium in which they arose and exist?

You see, Buddha is one of my gurus, who has instructed me with Kalama Sutta. I am just not bothered about what Robert Thurman, Carl Sagan, Einstein or other notables that you have quoted say. I will accept only what my mind accepts. Buddha said:

"Kalamas, do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing (anussava), nor upon tradition (paramparā), nor upon rumor (itikirā), nor upon what is in a scripture (piṭaka-sampadāna), nor upon surmise (takka-hetu), nor upon an axiom (naya-hetu), nor upon specious reasoning (ākāra-parivitakka), nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over (diṭṭhi-nijjhān-akkh-antiyā), nor upon another's seeming ability (bhabba-rūpatāya), nor upon the consideration, The monk is our teacher (samaṇo no garū)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalama_Sutta

 

[idav]

The title has been debunked with experimentation, one experiment being the confirmation of the higgs boson.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Being an 'advaitist', I understand that well. But where is the 'rope'? Where is the 'salt'? Where from have they arisen? What is the medium in which they arose and exist?

From Pure Nothingness no doubt.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Then how is it changeless?

 

[godnotgod]

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Maybe not.

Well, Eastern mystics figured out long ago that the answers do NOT lie in the brain, but that the center of consciousness is in the hara, a point just below the navel.