If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[godnotgod]

Where Godnotgod? Or is it that repeating something twenty times, it becomes truth.
No, not a video (I have mentioned my hearing problem). Write in brief what the video says, if you be kind enough.

OK, here is the link to the original study, published in Physics Essays. There have been corroborating studies which followed, which I will post as I find them:

http://www.deanradin.com/FOC2014/Grinberg1994.pdf

 

[godnotgod]

What constitutes Brahman?

Haven't we been over that sufficiently? Google 'Brahman' for a Wikipedia discussion.

 

[godnotgod]

It is not an interaction, because there is nothing else to interact with Brahman. But it is the property of Brahman itself, like that of physical energy, creating and changing virtual particles unceasingly.

No. Brahman is Attributeless.

 

[Runewolf1973]

There is only one Reality. The mystical experience is the most direct contact with that Reality.

Then you should not have to piggyback quantum physics to prove this "Reality". How can one test the mystical experience? I would like to try it out for myself and see.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Haven't we been over that sufficiently? Google 'Brahman' for a Wikipedia discussion.

So which school of thought or philosophical branch should I be looking at since there appears to be several? Shouldn't there be only one since it is supposed to be a single reality?

 

[`mud]

What constitutes Brahman?

"beating hearts, water, and roots"

~
'mud

 

[Aupmanyav]

What constitutes Brahman?

If you ask me, physical energy.

 

[Runewolf1973]

If you ask me, physical energy.

More specifically, what constitutes the non-physical reality Godnotgod is referring to? Can pure nothingness even be considered a consituent? Is consciousness a constituent? Somehow I don't think so.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Physical or Non-physical, it is all the same, wave and particle, Brahman is physical energy. I do not believe in Universal Consciousness. I do not know about the relationship between existence and non-existence, but I am open-minded about it.

 

[Runewolf1973]

For me Brahman is like the primary driving force behind all physical energy, all matter and all material existence. It is even the driving force behind those quantum field excitations. Therefore Brahman is the as of yet unidentified Absolute Fundamental Force or Absolute Fundamental Interaction (I guess it could be called that) from which all other secondary forces and interactions arise.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Calculations have now shown that all of the mass of the atom is being created by fluctuations in the Higgs/Quantum Fields, rendering all 'material' reality to be virtual in nature. You said it yourself, above. IOW, virtual particles are not real, material particles. 'Material' reality is being re-created many times every second, but we do not see it occurring.

Till the time they last, they are very real.Science is not sure how mass is acquired.

There is only one Reality. The mystical experience is the most direct contact with that Reality. After a time, many views develop, such as with Hinduism, and many corruptions. That is why many orthodox practitioners return to the mystical view. Yoga is the mystical branch of Hinduism; ..

Not my view. Not concerned about other religions.

 

[godnotgod]

Then you should not have to piggyback quantum physics to prove this "Reality". How can one test the mystical experience? I would like to try it out for myself and see.

You are in the mystical experience right now, only that you haven't realized it. If you have been paying attention, you will have noted that we have said 'Brahman and maya are one and the same'. That translates to: 'the ordinary everyday world and the miraculous are one and the same'. So you are in it right now, but due to your mental conditioning, you see the world as divided into parts and changing all the time. The mystical experience is the awakening to the reality that what you think you see as real, is an illusion.

I don't need to prove anything; I just need to create a handle to you who do not speak the language. This illusory world, being Brahman, still points to Brahman. The mystical experience and Reality came first, not science.

 

[Runewolf1973]

You are in the mystical experience right now, only that you haven't realized it. If you have been paying attention, you will have noted that we have said 'Brahman and maya are one and the same'. That translates to: 'the ordinary everyday world and the miraculous are one and the same'. So you are in it right now, but due to your mental conditioning, you see the world as divided into parts and changing all the time. The mystical experience is the awakening to the reality that what you think you see as real, is an illusion.

I don't need to prove anything; I just need to create a handle to you who do not speak the language. This illusory world, being Brahman, still points to Brahman. The mystical experience and Reality came first, not science.

Can Braham the way you see it be considered a Fundamental Force? A force which never changes itself, but in a way creates change or what at least
appears to be change?


Btw, I have been paying attention and I do like much of what you say. I don't question you because I think you are necessarily wrong. I further question because I see your potential to be right. Your view is extremely hard to challenge and I like that.

 

[godnotgod]

Can Braham the way you see it be considered a Fundamental Force? A force which never changes itself, but in a way creates change or what at least
appears to be change?


Btw, I have been paying attention and I do like much of what you say. I don't question you because I think you are necessarily wrong. I further question because I see your potential to be right. Your view is extremely hard to challenge and I like that.

I am a Zennist. All I can do is eat when hungry and sleep when tired, and occasionally point to the moon.

Brahman is, in the words of Hinduism, 'the ground of all Being', and 'The Changeless', but the source for the appearance of change, which is maya. Remember, there are not two things: Brahman over here and the world over there. I think of it like Alain Aspect's photons, where signal-less transmission is taking place, faster than the speed of light. I forget what this phenomenon is called.

To call Brahman the Fundamental Force implies a not-Fundamental Force, which is duality, and Brahman, being The Absolute, has no relative 'other' to which it can be compared. Everything is Brahman, including maya. There is no 'other'.

 

[Runewolf1973]

I am a Zennist. All I can do is eat when hungry and sleep when tired, and occasionally point to the moon.

Brahman is, in the words of Hinduism, 'the ground of all Being', and 'The Changeless', but the source for the appearance of change, which is maya. Remember, there are not two things: Brahman over here and the world over there. I think of it like Alain Aspect's photons, where signal-less transmission is taking place, faster than the speed of light. I forget what this phenomenon is called.

That makes sense and I agree there are not "two things" or multiple things, it only seems that way. If Brahman is the primary force, then all other changes, forces or interactions are in a sense illusory. Though gravity, electromagnetism and the strong and weak forces are considered fundamental, I believe there is something even more fundamental than that. Something in a sense "pushes" those particles into existence. Something is generating those "excitations" in the Quantum Field. Or...something is creating the illusion of those excitations or particles.

 

[Runewolf1973]

To call Brahman the Fundamental Force implies a not-Fundamental Force, which is duality, and Brahman, being The Absolute, has no relative 'other' to which it can be compared. Everything is Brahman, including maya. There is no 'other'.

Not if those other forces are illusions (not genuinely fundamental or not "real") and the only Fundamental Force which is real is Brahman.

 

[idav]

Where is Legion?

Good question.

 

[idav]

Yet the distinction is made between actual and virtual particles.

Semantics. There is nothing virtual about reality, thats why it would be called reality.

But only within context of what the brain was designed for: perceptual reality, and even then, it errs. So why trust it to get you the ultimate reality?

According to you the brain can tap into the ultimate reality so why would you say our senses can't be trusted? You only trust good feelings from your solar plexus? The argument of solipsism is self defeating.

 

[godnotgod]

That makes sense and I agree there are not "two things" or multiple things, it only seems that way. If Brahman is the primary force, then all other changes, forces or interactions are in a sense illusory. Though gravity, electromagnetism and the strong and weak forces are considered fundamental, I believe there is something even more fundamental than that. Something in a sense "pushes" those particles into existence. Something is generating those "excitations" in the Quantum Field. Or...something is creating the illusion of those excitations or particles.

As I understand the scientific view, that 'something' is the Unified Field, where everything is in perfect balance. That is where you will find the Higgs, Quantum, Gravity, and all other fields integrated as one.

So, in entanglement, there is instantaneous and signal-less communication between the two photons, even though they may be miles apart. This may be the situation with Brahman manifesting itself as the world. IOW, there is no Space or Time involved, and so, no 'interaction': it is just an entangled manifestation of Brahman. But because we are looking at the question with a conditioned awareness, that is to say, via Time, Space, and Causation, we see the world as caused by Brahman, as if there are two realities: Brahman and the world, when they are one and the same.

 

[Runewolf1973]

As I understand the scientific view, that 'something' is the Unified Field, where everything is in perfect balance. That is where you will find the Higgs, Quantum, Gravity, and all other fields integrated as one.

So, in entanglement, there is instantaneous and signal-less communication between the two photons, even though they may be miles apart. This may be the situation with Brahman manifesting itself as the world. IOW, there is no Space or Time involved, and so, no 'interaction': it is just an entangled manifestation of Brahman. But because we are looking at the question with a conditioned awareness, that is to say, via Time, Space, and Causation, we see the world as caused by Brahman, as if there are two realities: Brahman and the world, when they are one and the same.

That makes sense and likely one of the reasons I am able to read people. It's kind of a psychic/telepatic sort of reading thing I do. I know it sounds kinda weird, but I can look at a picture of a person and gain specific information about that person without even knowing anything about or having never met that person before in my life. They can be half way across the globe...it doesn't matter, but the connection is intantaneous. It is definitely as though time and space do not exist.