If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[godnotgod]

Nonsense. "Universality of consciousness" is just a belief you impose on the present moment. If you REALLY want to see the present moment you will have to stop imposing all your new-age beliefs on it.

Poor present moment, crushed by the weight of all your new-age, pseudo-Hindu, pseudo-science beliefs!

Why don't you take the poor thing back to your cave and nurse it back to health, you brute!

 

[godnotgod]

Using such terms is actually counterproductive in my opinion. I think it is better to use terms that everyone can understand or accept and even relate to on an everyday basis.

I forgot. You negate consciousness, but interaction is Full Tilt ON!

OMG! The Universe is sound asleep and on a collision course with Pure Nothingness!

The Big Bang!

 

[godnotgod]

Nonsense. "Universality of consciousness" is just a belief you impose on the present moment.

Nonsense. "The Simplicity of the Present Moment" is just a belief you impose on Universal Consciousness.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Using such terms is actually counterproductive in my opinion. I think it is better to use terms that everyone can understand or accept and even relate to on an everyday basis.

I agree entirely. The other problem with pretentious proper nouns is that they are never properly defined, and people hide behind them. It really is a load of pretentious twaddle.

 

[Runewolf1973]

The scientist wants to know what all the interaction is about, while the mystic wants to see what is behind it, where nary a peep can be found.

Yes, all the while the universe is saying..."It's ALL just me folks, so stop yer squabbling!"

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Nonsense. "The Simplicity of the Present Moment" is just a belief you impose on Universal Consciousness.

Lordy, you really are attached to these beliefs, aren't you? You confuse the present moment with all your pretentious proper nouns, "universal this" and "ultimate that".

Please come out of your rabbit hole and feel the sun on your skin and the wind on your face.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Yes, all the while the universe is saying..."It's ALL just me folks, so stop yer squabbling!"

The universe really doesn't care.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Eh? I'm not claiming to be a Zen master. However I do have solid experience of Zen practice, and I know what it looks like. It is certainly nothing to do with the pretentious posturing of another member here.

As I said, if you haven't practised in a Zen school yourself you really have nothing useful to add here. So have you?

Not in a formal school...have you and if so which school was that and for how long?

 

[Runewolf1973]

The universe really doesn't care.

True.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Not in a formal school...have you and if so which school was that and for how long?

About 10 years with this lot: http://www.coiuk.org/

I used to lead mindfulness practice days for the local sangha.

 

[godnotgod]

It is certainly nothing to do with the pretentious posturing of another member here.

I have already proven that Zen is intimately tied to Universal Mind, debunking your erroneous assessments about it. It's not just about the 'simplicity of the present moment'. It is about the experience of first transcending monky mind, and then merging with Big Mind and experiencing Satori.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

True.

Not true....I care and I am a indispensable aspect of the universe...

 

[godnotgod]

About 10 years with this lot: http://www.coiuk.org/

I used to lead mindfulness practice days for the local sangha.

Zen is not about how long you have meditated, credentials, nor accumulation of knowledge. It is about how much baggage you have shed until you arrive at Nothing.

Perhaps you can go to Japan and practice Inka Zen, proudly displaying your Certificate of Authenticity on the wall behind your desk for all the world to see.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I have already proven that Zen is intimately tied to Universal Mind, debunking your erroneous assessments about it. It's not just about the 'simplicity of the present moment'. It is about the experience of first transcending monky mind, and then merging with Big Mind and experiencing Satori

Nonsense. All you have "proved" is that you are determined to misrepresent Zen and Buddhism generally to suit your personal agenda. You are not a Zennist, you are a new-age pseudo-Hindu.

Possibly you are confusing Buddhism with Advaita Vedanta?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Zen is not about how long you have meditated, credentials, nor accumulation of knowledge. It is about how much baggage you have shed until you arrive at Nothing.

Exactly so. Unfortunately you have a great deal of baggage to shed, including all your new-age pseudo-Hindu beliefs. Can you let it all go, or are you simply too attached?

Can you clear out all your pretentious proper nouns and throw them on the fire? I think "Ultimate Reality" would burn nicely, also "Cosmic Consciousness".

 

[Runewolf1973]

I forgot. You negate consciousness, but interaction is Full Tilt ON!

OMG! The Universe is sound asleep and on a collision course with Pure Nothingness!

The Big Bang!

I just never really liked all the philosophical debate and loose interpretation and drama associated with the term "consciousness". Interaction is a little more straigjtforward.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

About 10 years with this lot: http://www.coiuk.org/

I used to lead mindfulness practice days for the local sangha.

Well I wish you would apply it and stay with the silent mind....I liked you better when you were not here...

 

[godnotgod]

The point is that Zen is concerned with here and now practice, not accumulating a head full of beliefs or surrounding the present moment with a load of pretentious mystical twaddle.

Dropping Zen quotes at random into a discussion simply doesn't cut it, it's just posturing.

So happens that those Zen quotes all point to Universal Mind. Did you notice? Go ahead. Deny it and then call it a dirty name. That's your modus operandi. You may have practiced Zen, but never realized its fruits, which is Universal Mind.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Well I wish you would apply it and stay with the silent mind....I liked you better when you were not here...

It seems you don't like it when people challenge pretentious twaddle and cliched platitudes. Good luck with that!

 

[godnotgod]

I just never really liked all the philosophical debate and loose interpretation and drama associated with the term "consciousness". Interaction is a little more straigjtforward.

If I pointed to something I called 'that which sees', would you know what I meant, without thinking about it?