If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[Rick O'Shez]

Haha...you don't even know that Brahma God is not the same as Brahman.... Brahman is the absolute...unborn, uncreated, and unevolved....Brahman is beyond space and time, Brahman is beyond knowledge, Brahman is beyond description...

http://hinduism.about.com/od/godsgoddesses/p/brahma.htm

Brahma is an aspect of Brahman. <sigh>

Instead of just making stuff up to fit your woollly syncretist agenda, why don't you take the time to explore these traditions properly?

 

[psychoslice]

If everything is energy then so what, a cake. a chocolate cake is mostly flour, and so what again, eat and enjoy, and that is all that matters.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

I really doubt that some people are terribly interested in this, Legion. I agree, as should anyone with any real appreciation of the topic(s), but what you are bringing forward goes against the anti-intellectual, pseudo-science, new age quackery promoted as deep insight by some in this thread.

Good point. I would object that as I started this thread, the fact that it appears to have been somewhat hijacked should make my attempts to relate the discussion back to the OP justified, but that would make me (an infamous off-topic poster & thread-derailer) a filthy hypocrite

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why some people think that the concept of Brahman is a particularly useful or even a remotely accurate concept. It's not. Get over it, already.

New-agers and woolly syncretists shamelessly abuse religious and scientific concepts in pursuit of their dubious agendas.

And they repeatedly hijack threads to proselytize their weird theories.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

If everything is energy then so what, a cake. a chocolate cake is mostly flour, and so what again, eat and enjoy, and that is all that matters.

Nihilist!

( cake IS nice though )

 

[godnotgod]

1) Michio Kaku's a kook.....
The presence of infinities in the mathematics of general relativity or physics more generally is not the problem he makes it out to be.

The snippet I posted is from a longer piece which involves several other physicists who all have the same view. I suppose they are all kooks as well.

 

[godnotgod]

So, your example of a "problem" for scientists consists of a phenomenon predicted mathematically, derived from a successful scientific theory, and which can only be known or detected using the mathematical models employed at least since 1915. Black holes aren't entities which scientists stumbled upon and couldn't account for in existing theories. They were derived from theory via the fundamental equation(s) of general relativity.

Understood. But something is wrong with the math, the nature of which is not understood, is what I am reading.

 

[Runewolf1973]

These Pretentious Proper Nouns are meaningless, and best discarded.

Yes

 

[godnotgod]

Good point. I would object that as I started this thread, the fact that it appears to have been somewhat hijacked should make my attempts to relate the discussion back to the OP justified, but that would make me (an infamous off-topic poster & thread-derailer) a filthy hypocrite

I don't see that any such attempt or intent at hijacking. The notion that 'all is energy' is intimately tied to that of 'all is consciousness', at least in the mind of the mystic.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Good point. I would object that as I started this thread, the fact that it appears to have been somewhat hijacked should make my attempts to relate the discussion back to the OP justified, but that would make me (an infamous off-topic poster & thread-derailer) a filthy hypocrite

Unfortunately this is not the first thread to have been hijacked in this way, and I'm sure it won't be the last.

 

[godnotgod]

Yes, and this means sunyata is incompatible with ALL absolutes, including "Brahman" and "Cosmic Consciousness", basically all the proper nouns in this thread.

The notion that sunyata is the same as Brahman is absurd.

You conveniently ignored my previous quote from Buddha's own mouth regarding 'The Absolute':

FROM THE MOUTH OF THE BUDDHA HIMSELF:

"O bhikkhus, what is the Absolute (Asaṃkhata, Unconditioned)? It is, O bhikkhus, the extinction of desire (rāgakkhayo) the extinction of hatred (dosakkhayo), the extinction of illusion (mohakkhayo).

This, O bhikkhus, is called the Absolute."

Saṃyutta-nikāya I (PTS), p. 359

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(Buddhism)#cite_ref-123

Oooooh! a proper noun. Buddha must have been a new age pseudo hindu nut job.

Fear not. This is NOT an attempt to hijack this thread.

 

[psychoslice]

Nihilist!

( cake IS nice though )

Yes and so is life, even though its just energy.

 

[godnotgod]

Yes and so is life, even though its just energy.

Yes, good old ordinary energy is also the Miraculous, transforming itself into 'matter', or at least a reasonable facsimile thereof.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Please stop equating emptiness with nonexistence. Existing things/forms are empty of self-nature. That is emptiness. Emptiness is not Pure or Absolute Nothingness.
Here, I'll let someone else explain it for you...

Nice to see it explained by a Buddhist teacher. Considerably more credible than the desperate quote-mining of dodgy translations by proselytizing new-agers.

 

[godnotgod]

New-agers and woolly syncretists shamelessly abuse religious and scientific concepts in pursuit of their dubious agendas.

And they repeatedly hijack threads to proselytize their weird theories.

Yes indeed! 'Weird theories', such as 'Emptiness'. The Hindus best track that rascally Buddha fellow down and give him a good thrashing, and soon, before he spreads his pseudo Hindu new age poppycock! Oh! The humanity!

 

[godnotgod]

Nice to see it explained by a Buddhist teacher. Considerably more credible than the desperate quote-mining of dodgy translations by proselytizing new-agers.

Isn't Thich Nhat Hanh a wonderful teacher? I especially like his clear explanation of the Buddhist principle of Emptiness.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

The snippet I posted is from a longer piece which involves several other physicists who all have the same view. I suppose they are all kooks as well.

It's a YouTube clip. It's from the kind of presentation that deliberately edits interviews with carefully selected specialists to obtain the desired outcome. It is not physics literature, nor remotely related to it. Finally, the majority of physicists can object to the perceived metaphysical implications of the formalisms of a theory due to their philosophical positions and this would not (indeed, it has not; consider all of quantum theory) threaten the validity of said theory.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Oooooh! a proper noun.

It isn't, not in the original language.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why some people think that the concept of Brahman is a particularly useful or even a remotely accurate concept. It's not. Get over it, already.

Haha......what do you find that is inaccurate about the concept of Brahman?

 

[godnotgod]

It's a YouTube clip. It's from the kind of presentation that deliberately edits interviews with carefully selected specialists to obtain the desired outcome. It is not physics literature, nor remotely related to it. Finally, the majority of physicists can object to the perceived metaphysical implications of the formalisms of a theory due to their philosophical positions and this would not (indeed, it has not; consider all of quantum theory) threaten the validity of said theory.

update: apparently, the problem I outlined has had some progress in its solution:

"Progress has been slow but steady. Last year, a significant breakthrough was announced. Several groups of physicists independently announced that string theory can completely solve the problem of a quantum black hole. (However, the calculation was so fiendishly difficult it could only be performed in two, not 10, dimensions.) So that’s where we stand today. Many physicists now feel that it’s only a matter of time before some enterprising physicist completely cracks this ticklish problem. The equations, although difficult, are well-defined."

Michio Kaku

http://mkaku.org/home/articles/blackholes-wormholes-and-the-tenth-dimension/

But my bottom line point is that science and math will never understand the mystery behind phenomena.