If Jesus Christ is Almighty God then why are we to pray to God through Jesus Christ?

[Soapy]

I must say this is very interesting. I never heard anyone say Adam's body was made by an angel.

The commands (words and thoughts) of the creation are FROM GOD: ‘Let there be… so and so…’ and it was so…!

The work (ACT) of creation is the by means of the angels of God. Everything that came into being is ENERGY compressed into physical element (dark matter, quarks, strings, neutrons, photons, electrons, particles, atoms, molecules, …bread crumb!)

God COMMANDS his angels in doing His works. It’s not hard to understand. The Bible attributes creation to God ALONE. And this is CORRECT since angels are as like ‘WORK TOOLS’ in relation to God. Work tools are not REWARDED nor APPLAUDED for doing what they are designed to do. The BUILDER directs the tools in the doing of his work. If the tools were defective, or not doing exactly as the builder directs them, they are set to be DESTROYED… (God is perfect therefore any defective angel is not given to being FORGIVEN! It is set for destruction!)

And I never heard anyone say that God's sons are anyone who does God's works.

You should be praised here even though you do not understanding the truth you have just spoken:

YES!!! ‘Doing the works of God’ is EXACTLY what ‘Son of God’ means!!

Holy Angels are Spirit Sons of God because they do indeed fully do the works of God!!

No one of humanity fully does the works of God EXCEPT JESUS CHRIST: Hence Jesus Christ is called: “The ONLY [human] SON OF GOD’ The only one of humanity who fits the title of TRUE IMAGE OF GOD!

Jesus states this several times and scriptures declares this also:

• “Why do you say I blaspheme when I only said that God is my Father? IF I AM NOT DOING THE WORKS OF THE FATHER THEN DO NOT BELIEVE ME!” (I am doing the works of God therefore I rightly call myself his Son)
• “Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” (This means: Do good, as Jesus does good; do not hate your enemy; heal the sick; aid the widow; preach repentance; feed the poor; be righteous; be led by the spirit of God; uphold justice; forgive your neighbour; Have no other God but the Father!)
• “My food is to do the Will of Him who sent me!” (God sent me to do His works)
• “All who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God” (all who do His works are as His children)
• “But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,” (‘You believe in God, believe also in me’ - and you will receive the rights to become His children. Do his works and become receive the right to become His children!)

If someone does a job for me, does that make him my son?

If you are commanding someone in doing a job of work for you then it is certain that you are experienced in doing that work yourself. That person ‘doing your works’ if he does it exactly as you command is therefore a spirit offspring of yourself. He does exactly as you do / did!!
(But if you are simply commissioning an expert or professional because you do not know how to do the work adequately or at all then that is not a ‘Sonship’ matter!)

But above all - Do not CONFUSE the word, ‘Son’ with a ‘PROCREATED OFFSPRING’!!!

The use of ‘Son’ used in context here is one of Spiritual image. If you DO EXACTLY as the Father then you are an IMAGE OF THE FATHER - a SON of the FATHER (So ‘Son’ means ‘Image’ and ‘Image’ means ‘Copy’ and ‘copy’ can only do what the original does… A true reflection only copies the real.)

Have you not heard a [human] saying like: ‘Though I gave you life (I am your father) you disobey my commands so much that I no longer consider you as a Son of mine!’
Or Jesus saying to some of the Jews: ‘You are SONS of your Father; He was a liar from the beginning!’
In other words, these Jews were ‘DOING THE WORKS OF SATAN!. Jesus called them ‘Sons of Satan’ because they were ‘Doing satan’s works’.

If you are appointed to do work for another person then you are under the command of that other person to do his Will. You are therefore a subjected ‘SON’ to him who commands the works. If you do exactly as is commanded then you are a TRUE SON of he who commanded you.

 

[Soapy]

This thread is about why do we pray to God through Jesus. I think that means we should pray to the Father through his Son, Jesus. Jesus was with the Father at the beginning in the form of the Word. He later took on a human body and lived on earth. He is now sitting at the right hand of the Father and acts as our high priest and go-between when we pray to the Father.

What exactly do you say (or mean) by ‘The Word of God was with God in the beginning and then became flesh’!!

What was ‘the word’ and how can God become man is God is immutable?

A trinitarian would say that Jesus and God are the same person - but they would also say that Jesus is man but Jesus is not God when he is man.

So how does Jesus decide when he is God and when he is man… and how does he decide not to know things when he is man if he is God who knows all things?

Does this trini-Jesus need to lie as a man to say he doesn’t know but he does really because he is God?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

The commands (words and thoughts) of the creation are FROM GOD: ‘Let there be… so and so…’ and it was so…!

The work (ACT) of creation is the by means of the angels of God. Everything that came into being is ENERGY compressed into physical element (dark matter, quarks, strings, neutrons, photons, electrons, particles, atoms, molecules, …bread crumb!)

God COMMANDS his angels in doing His works. It’s not hard to understand. The Bible attributes creation to God ALONE. And this is CORRECT since angels are as like ‘WORK TOOLS’ in relation to God. Work tools are not REWARDED nor APPLAUDED for doing what they are designed to do. The BUILDER directs the tools in the doing of his work. If the tools were defective, or not doing exactly as the builder directs them, they are set to be DESTROYED… (God is perfect therefore any defective angel is not given to being FORGIVEN! It is set for destruction!)

You should be praised here even though you do not understanding the truth you have just spoken:

YES!!! ‘Doing the works of God’ is EXACTLY what ‘Son of God’ means!!

Holy Angels are Spirit Sons of God because they do indeed fully do the works of God!!

No one of humanity fully does the works of God EXCEPT JESUS CHRIST: Hence Jesus Christ is called: “The ONLY [human] SON OF GOD’ The only one of humanity who fits the title of TRUE IMAGE OF GOD!
You have some interesting ideas but I do not see any Bible verses that support this. Can you list any verses that agree with what you say?
Jesus states this several times and scriptures declares this also:

• “Why do you say I blaspheme when I only said that God is my Father? IF I AM NOT DOING THE WORKS OF THE FATHER THEN DO NOT BELIEVE ME!” (I am doing the works of God therefore I rightly call myself his Son)
• “Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” (This means: Do good, as Jesus does good; do not hate your enemy; heal the sick; aid the widow; preach repentance; feed the poor; be righteous; be led by the spirit of God; uphold justice; forgive your neighbour; Have no other God but the Father!)
• “My food is to do the Will of Him who sent me!” (God sent me to do His works)
• “All who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God” (all who do His works are as His children)
• “But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,” (‘You believe in God, believe also in me’ - and you will receive the rights to become His children. Do his works and become receive the right to become His children!)

If you are commanding someone in doing a job of work for you then it is certain that you are experienced in doing that work yourself. That person ‘doing your works’ if he does it exactly as you command is therefore a spirit offspring of yourself. He does exactly as you do / did!!
(But if you are simply commissioning an expert or professional because you do not know how to do the work adequately or at all then that is not a ‘Sonship’ matter!)

But above all - Do not CONFUSE the word, ‘Son’ with a ‘PROCREATED OFFSPRING’!!!

The use of ‘Son’ used in context here is one of Spiritual image. If you DO EXACTLY as the Father then you are an IMAGE OF THE FATHER - a SON of the FATHER (So ‘Son’ means ‘Image’ and ‘Image’ means ‘Copy’ and ‘copy’ can only do what the original does… A true reflection only copies the real.)

Have you not heard a [human] saying like: ‘Though I gave you life (I am your father) you disobey my commands so much that I no longer consider you as a Son of mine!’
Or Jesus saying to some of the Jews: ‘You are SONS of your Father; He was a liar from the beginning!’
In other words, these Jews were ‘DOING THE WORKS OF SATAN!. Jesus called them ‘Sons of Satan’ because they were ‘Doing satan’s works’.

If you are appointed to do work for another person then you are under the command of that other person to do his Will. You are therefore a subjected ‘SON’ to him who commands the works. If you do exactly as is commanded then you are a TRUE SON of he who commanded you.

 

[Dogknox20]

Again, thank you for your detailed answer. And again I will say two things. There is no proof Jesus rose any time between sunset Saturday and sunrise Sunday. All we know is that the tomb was EMPTY on Sunday morning. Maybe he rose at noon on Saturday. No one was watching and looking inside the tomb. Second, you know nothing about my religion. It was not started 1900 years later. My beliefs follow facts and Bible information and not ideas made up by people who do ot follow the Bible.

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And I also thank you I hope all is well...
lostwanderingsoul for you to say this you must reject scriptures and Logic>>> My beliefs follow facts and Bible information and not ideas made up by people who do ot follow the Bible
I point you to scriptures you MUST reject... "Jesus built his Church ON ROCK" this means it was NOT built on sand! To think Jesus failed to build on ROCK is to call Jesus a fool!
26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.

Question: Did the gates of hell prevail against Jesus' Church? Is Jesus a Fool!

I point to this: Matt 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
Question Did Jesus abandon his Church he built on ROCK? Did Jesus lie when he said I am with you always! What do the scriptures say and what does LOGIC say?!
What do you believe? You believe Satan had somehow taken the body of Jesus away from Jesus! To believe this you MUST abandon all logic and reject the scriptures again as LIES from God!

Notice (above) the Church Jesus is ALWAYS WITH has the authority of God to TEACH ALL NATIONS!

The scriptures tell you the CHURCH Jesus established has AUTHORITY to forgive or retain sins!
lostwanderingsoul The Scriptures tell you BY REJACTING the ONLY Church Jesus is with until the end of the world is to Reject God! You MUST reject the words of God as more lies!
Luke 10:16
“Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

Logic ALONE says: Your Church cannot be built on Rock or by God because he built his One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church 2000 years ago and he is ALWAYS with his Bride to the very end of the world!!

 

[Dogknox20]

‘MADE’…. God is not MADE of anything. God’s Spirit is like THOUGHT - Thought and Heavenly Spirit are not MADE of physical substance.

We analogalise heavenly spirit LIKE what we understand in the physical world. I only said that we can imagine that God’s spirit is like ENERGY… everything in the physical world is made of energy: an atom’s construction is pure condensed energy.

The link is that Heavenly Spirit is PURE POWER. Such Power is not a visible or touchable substance - Gravity is HUGE and relatively tiny - both in respect of context. We can’t touch or see it BUT IT AFFECTS US hugely and minorly.

Holy angels can be MONSTROUSLY POWERFUL and yet also as Gentle as a feather or as delicate as the tiniest high power medical instrument.

GOD, himself, DOES NOT CARRY OUT ANY ACT ‘physically’. God created these incredible creatures FROM the power that is his spirit. These angels are also PURE POWER but are limited, encased in limits of a ‘name’ (angels don’t really have names but I don’t have another word for what I’m saying!) . An angel can be called to action by God by its ‘name’. We are not authorised - we are advised NOT TO - call upon an angel… call upon powers (angels) of God!

You should be able to see the next step in that if pure spirit can be ‘Encased’, then why can there not be a MODEL of the heavenly realm in a fully power encased physical world with greater limits than the Angel spirits: ‘Man was made a little lower than the angels!’

So then, man is made as a RULER in his physical world… An image of God who is RULER in His spirit World!

The creation of man is therefore a contribution of the greatest angel - the one who came to be named ‘Satan’: Let us make man in our likeness’.

This “likeness” cannot be ‘physical’. It cannot be ‘Spirit’ (even animals are body and spirit’.. No! It means: ‘High intelligence; ability to rule; design, create (not just Procreate!!!), to love and forgive and nurture (Care for) and husband (Care over)… like God.

The BODY of Adam was created by the Angel. God does not physically create - he gives commands to his angel and it is they that DO HIS WORKS:

• ‘Sons of God are they who do the works of God!!’

But, the body was lifeless… only God can ENLIVEN the body since only God can create spirits : He is the Father of Spirits.

So, though God consulted with the senior angel (‘Let us create man…!’, the enlivening of the man AS A LIVING SOUL was the direct injecting of a spirit into the body of the man:

• ‘And the man became a LIVING SOUL’

And also, when the spirit leaves the body - when the person dies - the spirit GOES BACK TO GOD.

And for this reason God says it is a sin to take the life a person without authorisation from Him (answers many questions I’ve seen elsewhere in this and other forums!!)

• He Give The Spirit and so Only He Can Take It Back!!!

Soapy God is Spirit and God is Also "LOVE"! Only man can love because only man is made in the image of God! Chicken, cats, snails, dogs, cows etc cannot love THUS... They cannot sin!
1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Spirits can love and in the case of Satan they thusly can also hate (sin)!

 

[101G]

How is it to be justified as a belief that in order for God to hear our prayers we need to pray through Jesus Christ, in which certain belief systems claim that Jesus Christ is God to whom we are to pray to?

Another way of asking the same question is, ‘How is Jesus Christ the same GOD that we are praying to when we pray through him?’

Also, how is Jesus Christ then different to God such that we pray through Jesus Christ in order to reach the ears of ‘another’ whom is God?

To me, the scriptures, and even Jesus Christ, says that he (Jesus Christ) is a man, a human Being, but a human without sin. And that is the crux that makes it work for me: That because, and only because, Jesus Christ is sinless, analogous to the high priest in the temple, our prayers can only reach THE ALMIGHTY GOD through him, that one considered holy and sinless. In other words, Jesus Christ, like the high priest (and Jesus Christ is himself also a high priest!!) acts as a filter for our prayers to the almighty king, the God of Heaven, Yahweh. This therefore answers my own question saying, ‘No, Jesus Christ is not almighty God’…

But what do you say and how do you justify your ideas on this using scriptures alone?

having not read all the post. the Lord Jesus is God almighty. we pray in his NAME, for he is our mediator, for we know not what to pray for, so as INTERCESSOR he, the Lord Jesus God almighty intercedes on our behalf. supportive scripture, Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."

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[Muffled]

That is why so many people don't follow the religions but believe in a Creator. And pray to Them the way they want to

I believe that is not a good reason.

 

[Muffled]

" Bible (The Christian NT) is the Inspired words of God "

Wrong.
Yeshua never said that, one gathers, if yes, then kindly quote from Yeshua in this connection, please. Right?

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I believe Jesus speaks through Paul who said it.

 

[Joshua Pryce]

But what do you say and how do you justify your ideas on this using scriptures alone?

Its simple Jesus displays His authority and connection to God in the things He said and did in John. All His miracles have divine and tell stories in gospel of John. Paul explains in Romans why Jesus is the lamb. The old testament prophecies point to a sacrifice, and Jewish tradition and when we put everything together and not isolate verses, then we discover that Jesus did and fully explained the bible. Old and New. .Romans 3:25 Google and various sites have all the verses. Put everything together, one thing will lead to another.

 

[101G]

Another way of asking the same question is, ‘How is Jesus Christ the same GOD that we are praying to when we pray through ?’

Also, how is Jesus Christ then different to God such that we pray through Jesus Christ in order to reach the ears of ‘another’ whom is God?

the Lord JESUS is God almighty in the ECHAD, example, on the day of Pentecost the apostle Peter said, Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:" Acts 2:24 "Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it."

GOD RAISED UP? let's see. John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?" John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body." John 2:22 "When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."

now, if the Lord Jesus is not God, then one has two Gods. just that plain and simple.

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