If Jesus is God, yet He isn't the 'father', how many deities are we talking about here?

[Desert Snake]

The trinity describes a triune Godhead, however, in simple terms, if Jesus is God, yet not the father, then clearly we are talking about more than one entity. Unless you believe that the Godhead is not aware of itself in all it's capacities?
Does that make sense to you?
It doesn't make sense to me; I believe that Jesus is a manifestation of the Father. The ''father'', in the NT, is a metaphorical, descriptive, ''separating'' of the characters, in the narrative; it isn't literal.

 

[atpollard]

The trinity describes a triune Godhead, however, in simple terms, if Jesus is God, yet not the father, then clearly we are talking about more than one entity. Unless you believe that the Godhead is not aware of itself in all it's capacities?
Does that make sense to you?
It doesn't make sense to me; I believe that Jesus is a manifestation of the Father. The ''father'', in the NT, is a metaphorical, descriptive, ''separating'' of the characters, in the narrative; it isn't literal.

I think that when Jesus was baptized, it seemed pretty literal ... three distinct 'actors' on the stage (and all of them 'God').
Later when Jesus said "When you have seen me, you have seen the Father" it sets up quite the little paradox.
... and Trinitarians have been struggling to fully comprehend what Jesus/God was telling us and exactly what God is like.
(I would expect nothing less from a finite mind attempting to grasp an infinite God.)
Your Mileage May Vary.

 

[Desert Snake]

I think that when Jesus was baptized, it seemed pretty literal ... three distinct 'actors' on the stage (and all of them 'God').
Later when Jesus said "When you have seen me, you have seen the Father" it sets up quite the little paradox.
... and Trinitarians have been struggling to fully comprehend what Jesus/God was telling us and exactly what God is like.
(I would expect nothing less from a finite mind attempting to grasp an infinite God.)
Your Mileage May Vary.

Do you have an opinion on whether you believe that Jesus is distinct from the 'father', or not?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Jews and Muslims sure are happy that they dont have this headache!

 

[te_lanus]

For me Jesus is a demigod, the son of El and Maria.

Jesus states in John (if me remember correctly) " I'll ask the Father, and He'll send you the Holy Spirit" and "taking the bible literally" Jesus is saying there are three entities.

 

[atpollard]

Do you have an opinion on whether you believe that Jesus is distinct from the 'father', or not?

Yes I have an opinion:

Yes, Jesus is distinct from the Father ... at Jesus' baptism, the Father shouted from His throne in heaven, and the Spirit descended onto the Son (Jesus) ... and John the Baptist saw all three of them.
No, Jesus is not distinct from the Father ... "I and the Father are one"; "When you have seen me, you have seen the Father."

The Father, Son and Spirit are three distinct persons that form one inseparable being ... that is the heart of the doctrine and mystery of the Trinity.

 

[atpollard]

Jews and Muslims sure are happy that they don't have this headache!

I can't answer what Judaism struggles with, but as a Muslim who wants to please God, you need to work out which parts of the Qu'ran are overwritten (sorry, I know that is not the right term, but I don't remember the correct term) by chronologically later verses in the Qu'ran ... and you need to wade through some bloody and confusing parts of the Hadith (I think that was the right word for the histories) to work it out ... so Islam isn't a 'walk in the park' either if you want to find out for yourself what is really true.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

I can't answer what Judaism struggles with, but as a Muslim who wants to please God, you need to work out which parts of the Qu'ran are overwritten (sorry, I know that is not the right term, but I don't remember the correct term) by chronologically later verses in the Qu'ran ... and you need to wade through some bloody and confusing parts of the Hadith (I think that was the right word for the histories) to work it out ... so Islam isn't a 'walk in the park' either if you want to find out for yourself what is really true.

Yet christians are smashing their heads till today about the nature of Jesus pbuh

 

[atpollard]

Yet christians are smashing their heads till today about the nature of Jesus pbuh

Most shrug and believe whatever the Preacher/Priest/Shepherd says and never struggle with the hard parts for themselves ... so there is less head smashing than one might expect.
Let me move the rest of my response to the Islam DIR to give you a chance to strut your stuff.

 

[Desert Snake]

Jews and Muslims sure are happy that they dont have this headache!

It is more along the lines of people having different ideas, or just a vague idea/s/. I think this is similar in all religions. Xianity has denominations that suit almost every belief, and I don't believe that G-d is limited to Xianity anyways, so, though you may be correct in some intellectual way, it probably doesn't play out in theological reality as it might seem from reading the forums.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I have a question, guys.

Does it make a difference that Jesus is the Father or not? If so, how?

 

[atpollard]

I have a question, guys.

Does it make a difference that Jesus is the Father or not? If so, how?

Either position raises different questions about understanding.
How did Jesus beget himself? How is someone their own father and their own son? Is Jesus God? Are there two or more Gods? Who was in heaven when the Father was on Earth?

In terms of being forgiven and doing right, nope, the Father-Son details are not critical.
In terms of understanding who/what this Jesus-Father-Son-Spirit-One God is on a deeper intellectual level ... the answer sort of matters.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

In terms of understanding who/what this Jesus-Father-Son-Spirit-One God is on a deeper intellectual level ... the answer sort of matters

How so?