If John is not respecting Bob

[questfortruth]

Two totally strangers John and Bob. They do not know each other.
But Bob has a small deal to make through John's approval.
But John is not respecting Bob, so, John is not willing to
make any business with Bob, if this deal is not unavoidable.
John is dealing only with a chosen
ring of people, like own family and bed partners.
What Bob can do to win John's respect?
No respect -- No deal.
Please, vote.

There is no cause of disrespect. The only cause is what Bob and John are total strangers. Bob is not part of John's family nor of his bed partners.

So, to get published in top journal of Mathematics, Bob needs to go to Mathematics faculty of University to become first year student? Bob must start at the bottom, and reach the PhD level, then Professor level, and then present the paper to journal. Same text what he had 20 years ago, before he became student. It is hell.

 

[The Hammer]

None of the above

 

[Mock Turtle]

What about Jill and Daphne?

 

[Altfish]

None of the above

Indeed, this

 

[PureX]

There is nothing he can do unless he knows what caused the disrespect, and if it was his fault, he can try and make amends for it.

 

[ChristineM]

None of the above, respect is earned...

 

[questfortruth]

There is nothing he can do unless he knows what caused the disrespect, and if it was his fault, he can try and make amends for it.

There is no cause of disrespect. The only cause is what Bob and John are total strangers. Bob is not part of John's family nor of his bed partners.

 

[questfortruth]

None of the above, respect is earned...

HOW respect is being earned?

There is no cause of disrespect. The only cause is what Bob and John are total strangers. Bob is not part of John's family nor of his bed partners.

 

[ChristineM]

HOW respect is being earned?

There is no cause of disrespect. The only cause is what Bob and John are total strangers. Bob is not part of John's family nor of his bed partners.

Who said anything about disrespect? Oh right, you did. What about neutrality?
Respect is earned, not given away. For all anyone knows Bob may be a total arsehole ripoff merchant. He has got to show his nature is worthy of respect before respect is given

 

[Alien826]

None of the above, respect is earned...

Totally agree.

As far as I understand the John and Bob scenario, the default response to a stranger wanting you to invest in some "deal" should be extreme suspicion. There is perhaps one exception. If Bob may be genuinely trustworthy (say he claims to be the representative of a respectable investment firm) that's easily checked.

An interesting real life example. I received a text from someone addressing me by a name that was not my name. I responded "wrong number" or similar. The person apologized, then tried to strike up a conversation with me, asking where I lived and so on. I got suspicious and did some research. Apparently the game is to form a friendship with you, which can go on for a while before the true motivation emerges. You will be asked to invest money in something. If you do so that's the last you will hear. Obviously, I broke off the conversation. I then received a few more of these. I guess I got on some list.

 

[questfortruth]

As far as I understand the John and Bob scenario, the default response to a stranger wanting you to invest in some "deal" should be extreme suspicion. There is perhaps one exception. If Bob may be genuinely trustworthy (say he claims to be the representative of a respectable investment firm) that's easily checked.

So, to get published in top journal of Mathematics, Bob needs to go to Mathematics faculty of University to become first year student? Bob must start at the bottom, and reach the PhD level, then Professor level, and then present the paper to journal. Same text what he had 20 years ago, before he became student. It is hell.

 

[syo]

Two totally strangers John and Bob. They do not know each other.
But Bob has a small deal to make through John's approval.
But John is not respecting Bob, so, John is not willing to
make any business with Bob, if this deal is not unavoidable.
John is dealing only with a chosen
ring of people, like own family and bed partners.
What Bob can do to win John's respect?
No respect -- No deal.
Please, vote.

There is no cause of disrespect. The only cause is what Bob and John are total strangers. Bob is not part of John's family nor of his bed partners.

Rape him and force him to have his child.

 

[Alien826]

HOW respect is being earned?

There is no cause of disrespect. The only cause is what Bob and John are total strangers. Bob is not part of John's family nor of his bed partners.

Here's how it goes. When I meet someone new, he gets a form of respect that I give everyone I don't know. I talk to him politely and (try to) make no judgments, good or bad. As I get to know him better, I build up an impression of him on which I base my opinion. If he seems worthy of my respect, I respect him. As time goes on, the respect can be strengthened or weakened, based on his actions.

 

[questfortruth]

So, to get published in top journal of Mathematics, Bob needs to go to Mathematics faculty of University to become first year student? Bob must start at the bottom, and reach the PhD level, then Professor level, and then present the paper to journal. Same text what he had 20 years ago, before he became student. It is hell.

 

[Alien826]

So, to get published in top journal of Mathematics, Bob needs to go to Mathematics faculty of University to become first year student? Bob must start at the bottom, and reach the PhD level, then Professor level, and then present the paper to journal. Same text what he had 20 years ago, before he became student. It is hell.

So this is personal? My response related to a general form of respect that is based on everyday actions. I don't know much about how respect is given in a University environment. What you say sounds correct though, in a general sense. And yes, I'm sure that a PhD would have more chance getting a paper published than a person without formal qualifications.

 

[Polymath257]

So, to get published in top journal of Mathematics, Bob needs to go to Mathematics faculty of University to become first year student? Bob must start at the bottom, and reach the PhD level, then Professor level, and then present the paper to journal. Same text what he had 20 years ago, before he became student. It is hell.

Nope, this is not what is required. Going to graduate school merely teaches you the basics, including how to read and write proofs. It teaches the basic information and how to communicate your discoveries to others. It teaches the professional standards of the subject.

If the paper is acceptable after becoming a Professor, it would be acceptable before. That it is rejected before simply means it is unacceptable and would also be rejected if submitted by a PhD Professor.

Respect is earned: to be published, the paper has to be well written, correct, and abide by the professional standards of that journal. If the paper makes wild claims that are not established, has faulty logic, and bases its argument on known falsehoods, then it will be rejected no matter how much the person who wrote it is 'respected'. A person who consistently submits such failed papers will lose respect over time and be treated as a crank. This is deserved disrespect.

 

[questfortruth]

Nope, this is not what is required. Going to graduate school merely teaches you the basics, including how to read and write proofs. It teaches the basic information and how to communicate your discoveries to others. It teaches the professional standards of the subject.

If the paper is acceptable after becoming a Professor, it would be acceptable before. That it is rejected before simply means it is unacceptable and would also be rejected if submitted by a PhD Professor.

Respect is earned: to be published, the paper has to be well written, correct, and abide by the professional standards of that journal. If the paper makes wild claims that are not established, has faulty logic, and bases its argument on known falsehoods, then it will be rejected no matter how much the person who wrote it is 'respected'. A person who consistently submits such failed papers will lose respect over time and be treated as a crank. This is deserved disrespect.

Thank you very much. This tells me that even a pleb like me can get recognition without becoming PhD or Professor. And the reason for rejection is witchcraft done to me when I was 6 months old. Mother told me. Believe me. Paper is absolutely astonishing.

 

[Polymath257]

Thank you very much. This tells me that even a pleb like me can get recognition without becoming PhD or Professor. And the reason for rejection is witchcraft done to me when I was 6 months old. Mother told me. Believe me. Paper is absolutely astonishing.

I've seen some of your papers. The reason for rejection was not witchcraft.

At the very least, you need to learn the standards of professional writing in mathematics. You need to learn how to create and write proofs. That is the advantage that going to graduate school would give to you.

You seem to think you have 'astonishing' insights, but what you actually write in your papers isn't insightful at all and the proofs are below the level I expect from someone in a beginning proof class. In no way do they meet the standards of a professional math journal.

The real disrespect here is what you show for the editors and referees that have to give up time to look over your poor quality work. At the very least, you should learn how to create and write a decent proof. That is a standard any reasonable journal will insist upon.

 

[questfortruth]

I've seen some of your papers. The reason for rejection was not witchcraft.

At the very least, you need to learn the standards of professional writing in mathematics. You need to learn how to create and write proofs. That is the advantage that going to graduate school would give to you.

You seem to think you have 'astonishing' insights, but what you actually write in your papers isn't insightful at all and the proofs are below the level I expect from someone in a beginning proof class. In no way do they meet the standards of a professional math journal.

The real disrespect here is what you show for the editors and referees that have to give up time to look over your poor quality work. At the very least, you should learn how to create and write a decent proof. That is a standard any reasonable journal will insist upon.

No, I stay with my words: I was cursed by a witch. You have not seen my latest results. They are good and sound.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just remind John that Bob is the creator of the universe. Respect Bob or else!!

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