"If Knoxville Kids Skip Class for Bible Study, Satanists Want in on the Action"

[Cooky]

Seriously?
You think that Cortez was launching a defensive war?
Really, it's hard to converse with you.
Tom

No. He was robbing them of everything. Gold, land, resources... It was a total takeover -he even changed the language of an entire continent to a Latin based language.

...Quite different from totalitarian Soviet Union, where an existing Communist government went out of it's way to rid religion from it's own population entirely.

 

[columbus]

He was robbing them of everything. Gold, land, resources... It was a total takeover -he even changed the language of an entire continent to a Latin based language.

In the name of God.
Religion supported Cortez. Specifically, Catholic Christianity.
Ton

 

[Cooky]

In the name of God.
Religion supported Cortez. Specifically, Catholic Christianity.
Ton

I have no response. I'm surely not going to defend that.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

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"This semester, the Knox County Public Schools in Tennessee is conducting a pilot program in which parents can allow their kids to leave school an hour early, one day a month, in order to attend religious classes with The Church at Sterchi Hill (about two miles away). The program is sponsored by the church and the school district has nothing to do with it, per se, except to say they won’t punish the kids for leaving early if they’re part of the program.

The kids will also get credit for attending school even though they’re at Bible study — so the choice for parents really boils down to whether they want their kids taking music or art class, or language arts, or learning about the Bible. Right now, 70 students are participating in the Bible study.

But if this Christian program is allowed to exist, wouldn’t that open the door for non-Christian groups to take advantage of the situation?

That’s what the newly formed Satanic Children’s Ministry of Knoxville intends to find out. According to a Facebook post this week, the (independent) group says it just wants to make its case to the school board. The good thing is that local news has picked up the story and the school board is now being asked questions about whether Satanic release time is a real possibility.
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What do you think the outcome will be?

What do you think the outcome should be?

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It should be cancelled. The kids should be in art class, not getting Bible bashed during school hours. They can do that crap on their own time. So tired of art education being thrown under the bus when it could solve a lot of problems with troubled people.

 

[Earthtank]

Sorry to go slightly off topic but, are Satanists considered theists? I know and understand the whole God vs Satan relationship works, Theists worship God while Satanists worship Satan, or did i get something wrong?

 

[Cooky]

Sorry to go slightly off topic but, are Satanists considered theists? I know and understand the whole God vs Satan relationship works, Theists worship God while Satanists worship Satan, or did i get something wrong?

My understanding is they are atheists, pretending to be theists.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Sorry to go slightly off topic but, are Satanists considered theists? I know and understand the whole God vs Satan relationship works, Theists worship God while Satanists worship Satan, or did i get something wrong?

Satanism isn't an organized religion. Some are atheists, some are agnostic, some are deists or pantheists, some are monotheists and others are polytheists. It depends on the person or group. Most of them don't accept the Christian paradigm and are closer to Pagans.

 

[Skwim]

My understanding is they are atheists, pretending to be theists.

"Perhaps unsurprisingly, Satanists are a rather fractious bunch, with many different organisations, beliefs and rituals. Many of these organisations are wholly or partly occult, with much hidden from non-adherents. Some are spiritualists: they worship Satan as a deity. Adherents of the Joy of Satan Ministries, for instance, “know Satan/Lucifer as a real being”, and believe he is “the True Father and Creator God of humanity”. Others—notably the Church of Satan, founded by Anton LaVey, the most renowned occultist since Aleister Crowley; and the Satanic Temple—are materialist, and reject belief in supernatural beings. Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the Satanic Temple, describes himself as “an atheist when it comes to supernatural beliefs”, and says that for him Satanism stands for “individual sovereignty in the face of tyranny, and the pursuit of knowledge even when that knowledge is dangerous”. LaVey’s “Satanic Bible” proclaims “Life is the great indulgence—death the great abstinence! Therefore make the most of the HERE AND NOW! ... Choose ye this day, this hour, for no redeemer liveth!”
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[Earthtank]

Satanism isn't an organized religion. Some are atheists, some are agnostic, some are deists or pantheists, some are monotheists and others are polytheists. It depends on the person or group. Most of them don't accept the Christian paradigm and are closer to Pagans.

Sounds like a bunch of confused people lol but, thanks for explaining.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I don't know why everyone keeps saying the opposite of what is true.

Indeed: theists do have that tendency. Perhaps it's because to be a theist, you have to deny actual reality itself.

Once you get used to denying reality? It's easy to reverse other things too.

Proof that religion DOES NOT and NEVER HAS made people better people?

Pedophile priests, and the systematic cover up of these serial abusers.

 

[columbus]

Sounds like a bunch of confused people lol but, thanks for explaining.

As opposed to which people?

Satanism is a complicated mixture of humanity with very different beliefs.
Like every other big ideology, people self identify and don't necessarily agree on much of anything.
Tom

 

[Earthtank]

As opposed to which people?

Satanism is a complicated mixture of humanity with very different beliefs.
Like every other big ideology, people self identify and don't necessarily agree on much of anything.
Tom

Agreed but, if Theists are called Theists because they believe in worship God or Gods then, worshiping Satan (another form of a God) should also classify them as Theists IMO. Unless, they do NOT worship Satan then, why are they Satanists? Aren't forms of "different beliefs" something Theists have?

 

[Skwim]

Satanism isn't an organized religion. Some are atheists, some are agnostic, some are deists or pantheists, some are monotheists and others are polytheists. It depends on the person or group. Most of them don't accept the Christian paradigm and are closer to Pagans.

Then it's just as organized as Christianity. Some Christians believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, and some don't. Some believe in a literal hell, and some don't. Some believe in salvation by grace, and some believe in salvation by works. Some believe Saturday is the holy week day, and some believe Sunday is. Some believe in baptism by immersion, and some believe in baptism by sprinkling. Some take the Bible as the "true authority," and some take only the New testament, and some take their church's creeds, councils, cannons, tradition, laws, and their pope. Some believe the bread and wine taken at communion are olny symbolic, and some believe they are the actual body and blood of Christ. Some believe the Bible is the only holy book, and some believe there are other holy writings. Some marry GLBTQ's, and some don't. Some ordain women, and some don't. Some baptize infants, and some don't. Some subscribe to the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, and some don't.
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[Saint Frankenstein]

Sounds like a bunch of confused people lol but, thanks for explaining.

Having different beliefs doesn't equal confusion. Such a state was the norm for the vast majority of human history. Institutionalized creedal religions are an aberration.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Then it's just as organized as Christianity. Some Christians believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, and some don't. Some believe in a literal hell, and some don't. Some believe in salvation by grace, and some believe in salvation by works. Some believe Saturday is the holy week day, and some believe Sunday is. Some believe in baptism by immersion, and some believe in baptism by sprinkling. Some take the Bible as the "true authority," and some take only the New testament, and some take their church's creeds, councils, cannons, tradition, laws, and their pope. Some believe the bread and wine taken at communion are olny symbolic, and some believe they are the actual body and blood of Christ. Some believe the Bible is the only holy book, and some believe there are other holy writings. Some marry GLBTQ's, and some don't. Some ordain women, and some don't. Some baptize infants, and some don't. Some subscribe to the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, and some don't.
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Christianity had creeds and institutions from the beginning, along with a founder. Satanism has no founder. You just decide that you like Satan and go from there.

 

[Cooky]

Christianity had creeds and institutions from the beginning, along with a founder. Satanism has no founder. You just decide that you like Satan and go from there.

Satan is biblical, and a black mass is a copy off of the Catholic Mass. Why not be original?

 

[Skwim]

Christianity had creeds and institutions from the beginning, along with a founder. Satanism has no founder. You just decide that you like Satan and go from there.

Actually, there are several "founders" of Satanism.

In the early 20th century the occultist Aleister Crowley published a few works that gave birth to Satanism, such as the German group Fraternitas Saturni in 1926.

Then around the late 1950s Anton Lavey formed the Church of Satan, which came out with the Satanic Bible.

In 1969 Herbert Sloane started the first Satanist organization, the Our Lady of Endor Coven of the Ophite Cultus Sathanas.

This was followed by The Order of Nine Angles formed in England in the 1970s

Since then there have been various factions of Satanists popping up here and there.

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[Cooky]

Actually, there are several "founders" of Satanism.

In the early 20th century the occultist Aleister Crowley published a few works that gave birth to Satanism, such as the German group Fraternitas Saturni in 1926.

Then around the late 1950s Anton Lavey formed the Church of Satan, which came out with the Satanic Bible.

In 1969 Herbert Sloane started the first Satanist organization, the Our Lady of Endor Coven of the Ophite Cultus Sathanas.

This was followed by The Order of Nine Angles formed in England in the 1970s

Since then there have been various factions of Satanists popping up here and there.

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And they have their own "bible" and "priests". How unoriginal.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Actually, there are several "founders" of Satanism.

In the early 20th century the occultist Aleister Crowley published a few works that gave birth to Satanism, such as the German group Fraternitas Saturni in 1926.

Then around the late 1950s Anton Lavey formed the Church of Satan, which came out with the Satanic Bible.

In 1969 Herbert Sloane started the first Satanist organization, the Our Lady of Endor Coven of the Ophite Cultus Sathanas.

This was followed by The Order of Nine Angles formed in England in the 1970s

Since then there have been various factions of Satanists popping up here and there.

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They started groups, but no one founded Satanism. That's like saying that someone founded Paganism just because they started a Pagan group.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And they have their own "bible" and "priests". How unoriginal.

Christianity is just as unoriginal going by your logic.