if not evolution

[BIG D]

please, if not evolution, are you saying a fully formed man/woman/baby just appeared from nothing??.like a Star Trek energizer???.what is the creationists theory..specifics please...

 

[Gloone]

Its probably better suited for a sci-fi / star trek movie.

 

[AuroraWillow]

Hey now! The transporters in Trek don't create things from nothing. They teleport matter that already exists to a different place.

Keep your sci fi straight.

TNG for life!

 

[james2ko]

please, if not evolution, are you saying a fully formed man/woman/baby just appeared from nothing??.

To make a long story short.............................yes!

For specifics, turn to page two in our instruction manual. It states,"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Turn to the next page where it says, "Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

Life from other life....No spontaneous generation. No evolution. God spoke and it was done. Neat huh? Like to see Capt Kirk do that

 

[Nepenthe]

Life from other life....No spontaneous generation. No evolution.

Spontaneous generation?
I know you're not insinuating an idea that was destroyed by Pasteur in 1859 has anything to do with evolution! Nobody could be that dim witted!

God spoke and it was done. Neat huh? Like to see Capt Kirk do that

God spoke and it was done? I thought you said "no spontaneous generation"?

 

[james2ko]

Spontaneous generation?
I know you're not insinuating an idea that was destroyed by Pasteur in 1859 has anything to do with evolution! Nobody could be that dim witted!

No insinuation made. Just included it to implicate that every theory supporting evolution, including evolution itself has never been scientifically proven. The existence of a Supreme, Intelligent Being and or force has.

God spoke and it was done? I thought you said "no spontaneous generation"?

Spontaneous generation is an obsolete theory regarding the origin of life from inanimate matter. If God was inanimate, He could not have spoken. No wonder it was thrown out. It is contrary to the Law of biogenesis--life can only come from life and the Laws of Motion--Matter remains in a state of rest or uniform motion (constant velocity) unless it is acted upon by an external unbalanced force.

 

[Kerr]

To make a long story short.............................yes!

For specifics, turn to page two in our instruction manual. It states,"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Turn to the next page where it says, "Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

Life from other life....No spontaneous generation. No evolution. God spoke and it was done. Neat huh? Like to see Capt Kirk do that

Not as "neat" as evolution .

Ohhhh, and Q could do that without talking.

 

[BIG D]

To make a long story short.............................yes!

For specifics, turn to page two in our instruction manual. It states,"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Turn to the next page where it says, "Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

Life from other life....No spontaneous generation. No evolution. God spoke and it was done. Neat huh? Like to see Capt Kirk do that

so, a fully grown man/woman/baby did appear????is this what you are saying???

 

[james2ko]

so, a fully grown man/woman/baby did appear????is this what you are saying???

Why yes..He came with instructions and manufacturing date. He was even given a name--Adam.

 

[Erebus]

The Flying Spaghetti Monster created life as we know it. It's widely believed he began with some trees, mountains and a midget.

Here's a diagram describing how things probably looked at the time.

 

[AuroraWillow]

The existence of a Supreme, Intelligent Being and or force has.

Really? I must have missed that issue of scientific american. Can you forward me the memo?

 

[Nepenthe]

No insinuation made. Just included it to implicate that every theory supporting evolution, including evolution itself has never been scientifically proven. The existence of a Supreme, Intelligent Being and or force has.

The evidence supporting the alteration of alleles over time is indisputable. Not that evolution is synonymous with atheism but I'm still waiting for evidence of an intelligent Creator. Are you saying spontaneous generation was used to support evolution? By Darwin's time spontaneous generation had long been discarded.

Spontaneous generation is an obsolete theory regarding the origin of life from inanimate matter. If God was inanimate, He could not have spoken. No wonder it was thrown out.

So God is made of a physical substrate? God is composed of organic molecules? If this is the case how come we have yet to detect this material intelligence?

It is contrary to the Law of biogenesis--life can only come from life and the Laws of Motion--Matter remains in a state of rest or uniform motion (constant velocity) unless it is acted upon by an external unbalanced force.

Life arose from organic compounds- there are many fascinating experiments where amino acids were formed from natural processes. Pasteur showed that complex life didn't spring from nonlife; life comes from the accumulation of increasingly complex molecules. Life is a subtle gradation and not anything spontaneous like a deity forming organisms ex nihilo.

 

[BIG D]

Why yes..He came with instructions and manufacturing date. He was even given a name--Adam.

that's the most amazing thing EVER!!!..kind of hard to believe, don't you think???

 

[Autodidact]

To make a long story short.............................yes!

For specifics, turn to page two in our instruction manual. It states,"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Turn to the next page where it says, "Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

Life from other life....No spontaneous generation. No evolution. God spoke and it was done. Neat huh? Like to see Capt Kirk do that

There you have it--the creation myth of the Christians. And they expect this ancient tale to be taught in the public schools as science.

 

[james2ko]

The evidence supporting the alteration of alleles over time is indisputable.

All this proves is that alleles alter themselves. So do butterflies when they are in the pupa stage. Notice what British physicist Dr. Alan Hayward states about your "altered" alleles, “Genes seem to be built so as to allow changes to occur within certain narrow limits, and to prevent those limits from being crossed. To oversimplify a little: Mutations very easily produce new varieties within a species, and might occasionally produce a new (though similar) species, but—despite enormous efforts by experimenters and breeders—mutations seem unable to produce entirely new forms of life” (Creation or Evolution: The Facts and the Fallacies).

So God is made of a physical substrate? God is composed of organic molecules? If this is the case how come we have yet to detect this material intelligence?

There is much more evidence proving God's existence than evolution.

Life arose from organic compounds-there are many fascinating experiments where amino acids were formed from natural processes.

Are you invalidating the Law of Biogenesis?

life comes from the accumulation of increasingly complex molecules

You are sidestepping the issue. The first life had to have a lifegiver. That is the basis of our discussion. With that in mind, let's say for arguments sake this was the case, then where did the atoms which formed the molecules come from, my friend?

 

[james2ko]

that's the most amazing thing EVER!!!..kind of hard to believe, don't you think???

Not at all. It takes a lot less faith to believe in Creationism than it does Evolution.

 

[james2ko]

There you have it--the creation myth of the Christians. And they expect this ancient tale to be taught in the public schools as science.

Just for that, in the judgment period, I'm making you sit at the front of my Creation 101 class.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

All this proves is that alleles alter themselves. So do butterflies when they are in the pupa stage. Notice what British physicist Dr. Alan Hayward states about your "altered" alleles, “Genes seem to be built so as to allow changes to occur within certain narrow limits, and to prevent those limits from being crossed. To oversimplify a little: Mutations very easily produce new varieties within a species, and might occasionally produce a new (though similar) species, but—despite enormous efforts by experimenters and breeders—mutations seem unable to produce entirely new forms of life” (Creation or Evolution: The Facts and the Fallacies).

Firstly, what is a physicist doing talking about biology?

Secondly, Hayward is only one voice among the millions upon millions of scientists (and actual biologists) who do not agree with him.

Thirdly, his terminology here is vague at best. Evolution does not claim that changes in allele frequency can "produce entirely new forms of life". In fact, it claims exactly the same thing that he says is already true: that changes in allele frequency produce variations within species. The barrier proposed by Hayward simply do not exist anywhere outside of his or any other creationist's imagination.

There is much more evidence proving God's existence than evolution.

Then present it.

Are you invalidating the Law of Biogenesis?

Except biogensis is no longer considered a "law" - in fact, few things in science are ever considered "law".

You are sidestepping the issue. The first life had to have a lifegiver. That is the basis of our discussion. With that in mind, let's say for arguments sake this was the case, then where did the atoms which formed the molecules come from, my friend?

From the Universe. Matter has existed since the big bang in various forms.

 

[Valjean]

The creationist "explanation" is magic -- pure and simple. Sometimes referred to as "magic poofing."

 

[RedOne77]

All this proves is that alleles alter themselves. So do butterflies when they are in the pupa stage. Notice what British physicist Dr. Alan Hayward states about your "altered" alleles, “Genes seem to be built so as to allow changes to occur within certain narrow limits, and to prevent those limits from being crossed. To oversimplify a little: Mutations very easily produce new varieties within a species, and might occasionally produce a new (though similar) species, but—despite enormous efforts by experimenters and breeders—mutations seem unable to produce entirely new forms of life” (Creation or Evolution: The Facts and the Fallacies).

There are very few leaps in mutations; you are not going to get a bird like a blue jay from a Theropod dinosaur in a few generations for example. Yes, most mutations are quite small, and the allele frequencies from generation to generation are usually nothing big. But add it all up over many generations for thousands to millions to even billions of years and the "limits" creationists talk about are truly absurd - and I can guarantee that they don't even know what they are talking about beyond vague sound-bites.

You are sidestepping the issue. The first life had to have a lifegiver.

Not really. There is plenty of evidence out there to suggest that life can and does form naturally when the right conditions are met. Heck, we've found amino acids and Guanine Cytosine and Uricil in asteroids/meteorites.

Not at all. It takes a lot less faith to believe in Creationism than it does Evolution.

What you need to accept evolution is an education, not faith.