If Peter saw Miracles, why denied Jesus 3 times?

[InvestigateTruth]

LOL! Are you serious?

a) Jesus cured the (physically) blind
b) The Bible clearly states that the miracles that Jesus performed were physical miracles.
c) Statement #3 is both off-topic and wrong.
d) Jesus' resurrection of Lazarus was most definitely not a parable, it actually happened.
John 11:13, "Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep."
John 11:21, "“Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my brother would not have died."
John 11:32, "When Mary reached the place where Jesus was and saw him, she fell at his feet and said, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died."
John 11:33-34, "When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face. Jesus said to them, “Take off the grave clothes and let him go.” "

Bible does not say those things happned physically. Many Christians have interpreted them as physical Miracles.
They can be parables in fact. The only ones that, Jesus privately explained all details without Parables were disciples.

Mark 4:33-34 is very interesting:

"With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything."

The Bible does not give the details about what Jesus explained to the disciples when He was alone with them. But it only says, that happened.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

In summary, the Bible should be interpreted literally except in those cases where the context or style dictates otherwise

But this method of interpreting it literally unless style or context dictates otherwise, is a man-made idea. It is also subject to one's own judgment. Since human beings are fallible, their judgment can be faulty and take what is Parable, or Allegorical as literal.

- not a bias to do so. To this point, the controversial Geneses accounts, Jesus' virgin birth, miracles, and resurrection are clearly historical accounts to be taken literally.

Any of those Miracles can be very well understood as parables and metaphor.

For example Jesus cured they blind, can mean He opened His spiritual insight.
He resurrected the dead, can mean, He awakened the misguide people, and revived them spiritually.
His own Resurrection can very well mean, the Rise of Christianity after His crucifixion, as Bible says:

"Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it." 1 Corinthians 12:27

Now, for example, here is one of the reasons why Resurrection of Christ could not have been physical:


"A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you" John 20:26

If Jesus had a physical body, He could not have come inside when the doors were locked. So, as you say, the context makes it known it couldn't be a physical event. It is a metaphorical story, that has a spiritual meaning. That does not make Jesus any less than who He was.
Remember the Father, does not have a physical body either.

 

[John D. Brey]

But this method of interpreting it literally unless style or context dictates otherwise, is a man-made idea.

Isn't all interpretation based on man-made determinations?

It is also subject to one's own judgment.

Should we rely instead on yours?

Since human beings are fallible, their judgment can be faulty and take what is Parable, or Allegorical as literal.

What's the alternative?




John

 

[idea]

How could possibly someone who had witnessed so many extraordinary events, did not have enough faith in God or Christ?

Peter was saving his own skin, he didn’t want to crucified too, it was embarrassing to be associated with Jesus at the time. Later he realized the glory of being a martyr, but the younger Peter was just in it for popularity.

Couldn't walk on water, couldn't heal people, couldn't cast out devils - betrayed Jesus with a kiss - couldn't stay awake even 1 hour - Christ killers - don't trust "apostles".

 

[Twilight Hue]

If Peter had indeed seen so many Miracles and had recognized Him as the Messiah, does it really make sense he denied Jesus 3 times?

If you were instead of Peter, do you think that you would have denied Him also, if you had seen all those Miracles?

• how do you know?

Matthew 26:34​

ESVJesus said to him, "Truly, I tell you, this very night, before the rooster crows, you will deny me three times."




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Peter knew that Jesus of Nazareth was more than a mere man, for he saw Him give sight to the blind, cleanse the leper, cause the lame to walk, and raise the dead (see Matthew 11:4–5; see also John 2:11; 10:25; 20:30–31).


Now, not only Peter had seen so many Miracles of Jesus, but also:

Peter witnessed the appearance of Moses and Elijah during the event known as the Transfiguration of Jesus. This event is described in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew 17:1-9, Mark 9:2-8, and Luke 9:28-36).


How could possibly someone who had witnessed so many extraordinary events, did not have enough faith in God or Christ?

Because it's a story. It needs it's obligatory drama written in.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Isn't all interpretation based on man-made determinations?



Should we rely instead on yours?



What's the alternative?




John

Since the Scriptures came from God, but not man, it is for God to ultimately interpret them at the time of His Manifestation.

For example before Jesus came, the Religious leaders and the Pharisees, had interpreted the OT according to their own imaginations. When Jesus came, He reinterpreted many of those verses and passages. Now, it is the same. When Jesus came, a new Scriptures was written, the New Testament. The Christian leaders interpreted the new Scriptures according to their own imagination. However, when Christ comes back, He is the one, who gets to interpret them. Even if He interprets most things differently than it has been interpreted by the Christian leaders.
Albeit Baha'u'llah, proclaimed that, the Promise of return of Christ is fulfilled. He revealed 100 volumes of new Scriptures.

 

[Betho_br]

Since the Scriptures came from God, but not man, it is for God to ultimately interpret them at the time of His Manifestation.

For example before Jesus came, the Religious leaders and the Pharisees, had interpreted the OT according to their own imaginations. When Jesus came, He reinterpreted many of those verses and passages. Now, it is the same. When Jesus came, a new Scriptures was written, the New Testament. The Christian leaders interpreted the new Scriptures according to their own imagination. However, when Christ comes back, He is the one, who gets to interpret them. Even if He interprets most things differently than it has been interpreted by the Christian leaders.
Albeit Baha'u'llah, proclaimed that, the Promise of return of Christ is fulfilled. He revealed 100 volumes of new Scriptures.

In my view, everything that Jesus said and is claimed that He said can be found within the Law and the Prophets, as well as in the interpretations of Jewish sects, Egyptian and Sumerian texts, Jewish apocryphal writings, and, in many cases, classical Greek texts. Jesus did not introduce much innovative teaching; rather, He exemplified how to be a zealous Jew under Roman domination. Indeed, some examples He provided in the Gospels are not applicable to free Jews or Gentiles, such as issues concerning taxes and the fulfillment of certain laws. However, it is true that Jesus brought illumination to the interpretation of sacred writings.

 

[John D. Brey]

Albeit Baha'u'llah, proclaimed that, the Promise of return of Christ is fulfilled. He revealed 100 volumes of new Scriptures.

Matthew 24:5; Luke 21:8.



John

 

[Betho_br]

Matthew 24:5; Luke 21:8.



John

But which Messiah was Jesus referring to?

 

[Regiomontanus]

If Peter had indeed seen so many Miracles and had recognized Him as the Messiah, does it really make sense he denied Jesus 3 times?

The reasons: weakness and fear.

 

[John D. Brey]

But which Messiah was Jesus referring to?

. . . I would say Jesus is referring to himself as Christ.



John

 

[Betho_br]

. . . I would say Jesus is referring to himself as Christ.



John

So the order only applies to a Christian who comes in the name of Jesus or who is at least called "Jesus"?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Matthew 24:5; Luke 21:8.



John

Yes, He said there will be false Christs. But Jesus also promised that, next time, the Son comes in the glory of the Father, and we see the Father face to face.

Lo! The Father is come, and that which ye were promised in the Kingdom is fulfilled! This is the Word which the Son concealed, when to those around Him He said: “Ye cannot bear it now.”

- Baha'u'llah

Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh | Bahá’í Reference Library

Sixteen Tablets revealed by Bahá’u’lláh during the later years of His life, including the Tablet of Carmel, the Book of the Covenant, and the Tablet of Wisdom, as well as excerpts from other Writings.

www.bahai.org

 

[John D. Brey]

Now, for example, here is one of the reasons why Resurrection of Christ could not have been physical:


"A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you" John 20:26

If Jesus had a physical body, He could not have come inside when the doors were locked.

Matthew 14:25.




John

 

[John D. Brey]

Yes, He said there will be false Christs. But Jesus also promised that, next time, the Son comes in the glory of the Father, and we see the Father face to face.

Is Baha'u'llah Jesus' father?



John

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Matthew 14:25.




John

Our scriptures says, it means "Sea of Corruption". Jesus was able to walk on the sea of corruption without sinking in it. It is a Parable, with a hidden meaning.

 

[John D. Brey]

So the order only applies to a Christian who comes in the name of Jesus or who is at least called "Jesus"?

What order?



John

 

[John D. Brey]

Our scriptures says, it means "Sea of Corruption". Jesus was able to walk on the sea of corruption without sinking in it. It is a Parable, with a hidden meaning.

. . . Didn't you yourself say something about subjective interpretation? Where do you find a Greek word to interpret "corruption" in the verse?

Parables are designed in a manner such that when their hidden meaning is understood it can be seen that the hidden part has a symbiotic relationship to the part that's not hidden; there's a familial relationship that's apparent when what's hidden is revealed.

Can you show us how the parable you're reading out of the passage is related to the passage?



John

 

[Betho_br]

What order?



John

"...Take heed that ye be not deceived..." Luke 21:8 Isn't this an order for the followers of Jesus?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

. . . Didn't you yourself say something about subjective interpretation? Where do you find a Greek word to interpret "corruption" in the verse?

Parables are designed in a manner such that when their hidden meaning is understood it can be seen that the hidden part has a symbiotic relationship to the part that's not hidden; there's a familial relationship that's apparent when what's hidden is revealed.

Can you show us how the parable you're reading out of the passage is related to the passage?



John

24 But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary.

My comment: Here "Ship" has a figurative meaning. It means the Faith of God. It is the Ark. Whoever enters the Ark of God, is saved from corruption in the world.
so, the corruption forces were against the Ship of God, and the Wind was contrary, denotes that, people of the time were acting contrary and against the Faith of Christ, and fighting against it.


25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.

27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.


My comment: Here Jesus showed them, with Faith, they can remain above corruptions.

28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.

29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.

30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.

31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

My comment: these passages denote that, peter did not have strong Faith, thus, when He saw the threats as well as all those worldly desires, He was not able to follow Jesus and be a faithful believer, thus He was scared when he saw threats from the opposition, and thus was about to get sink in the sea of corruption and sin. But, He asked Jesus to help him stay firm. Jesus told him, it is because his faith in God is weak....