Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yeah I'm with the crowd that says I'll believe it when I see it.
I wouldn't discourage people from trying though.
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If science proves that non-local consciousness is real how does that change your understanding
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I wouldn't discourage people from trying though.
Ben Dhyan
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Surprise, you do not yet understand that non-local consciouness is real.
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Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
I'm not certain it would change much of anything. If the entire human population represented a single brain synapse, belonging to the much larger mind, which is how I view it anyway, then thought is transferred from one catalogue or point of transfer and reception to another. How we process the signals as biological organisms depends on processing ability. I'm sure some people are better at this than others. It's confusing to think about, knowing you never really know where a thought may have originated. We typically know ourselves well enough to know our own mind and spirit.
Being real would constitute objective verifiable evidence to support non-local consciousness. There is at present insufficient evidence to support non-local consciousness. I believe in the natural evolution of consciousness in the animal kingdom from the time the first evolved central nervous system had consciousness.
As far as my religious perspective I believe in a 'Source' some call Gods, Some define God in terms of anthropomorphic consciousness I do not.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
That is what was stated, you do not yet understand, and that's ok, like puberty, it comes naturally in due course.
"I'm sure some people are better at this than others. It's confusing to think about, knowing you never really know where a thought may have originated. We typically know ourselves well enough to know our own mind and spirit."
Peace to all,
To me in logic, what becomes from created is in the full understanding through the Christ, becoming again in all mankind, One God in being, together and is the logic of The Trinity of the Kingdom of the Divine Will of Creation as also the transfiguration applies to the becoming of The Body of Christ in all mankind.
To me in logic, there are many spirit's that come from and blow to anywhere. What becomes and becomes again is the manifestation from the spirit through the flesh for the soul of the being. The eye of the needle is the critical path for a camel over a mountain and is a parable, telling story logic to explain the logic un-undersandable through any of the finite disciplines know to man. To me in all rationality and faith, logic has more power on earth delivering truth. The intelligence of creation is the eternal order that will never fail. The Holy Spirit manifests infallibility in the being unfailing as the logic delivered in the Christ for all mankind to become one in being and the Logic of The Kingdom of The Divine Will of Creation and follows the same logic becoming "What would Jesus do in all cases of fulfilled faith and morality becoming into the intelligence of fulfilled creation and is the Authority of all spirit and life delivered by the Power of The Holy Spirt in Person conceived through the Person of Jesus becoming transformed into immortality and incorruption through the Christ, from Him, through Him, for Him, and to Him be the Glory in all mankind becoming again, glorified and transfigured through the four most Powerful Words in The Bible, The Word becomes flesh.
Peace always,
m Stephen
Peace to all,
To me in logic, what becomes from created is in the full understanding through the Christ, becoming again in all mankind, One God in being, together and is the logic of The Trinity of the Kingdom of the Divine Will of Creation as also the transfiguration applies to the becoming of The Body of Christ in all mankind.
To me in logic, there are many spirit's that come from and blow to anywhere. What becomes and becomes again is the manifestation from the spirit through the flesh for the soul of the being. The eye of the needle is the critical path for a camel over a mountain and is a parable, telling story logic to explain the logic un-undersandable through any of the finite disciplines know to man. To me in all rationality and faith, logic has more power on earth delivering truth. The intelligence of creation is the eternal order that will never fail. The Holy Spirit manifests infallibility in the being unfailing as the logic delivered in the Christ for all mankind to become one in being and the Logic of The Kingdom of The Divine Will of Creation and follows the same logic becoming "What would Jesus do in all cases of fulfilled faith and morality becoming into the intelligence of fulfilled creation and is the Authority of all spirit and life delivered by the Power of The Holy Spirt in Person conceived through the Person of Jesus becoming transformed into immortality and incorruption through the Christ, from Him, through Him, for Him, and to Him be the Glory in all mankind becoming again, glorified and transfigured through the four most Powerful Words in The Bible, The Word becomes flesh.
Peace always,
m Stephen
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Insults get you nowhere. I believe that consciousness is a physical proper of animals with a central nervous system. Relationships between conscious humans and animals and our physical world is simply the nature and evolution of consciousness,. I believe 'Non-Local Realism' explains the relationship between animals with consciousness and the physical environment and relationships between and within the physical environment..
The nonlocal universe - PMC
We propose that the universe is nonlocal and that the appropriate worldview or paradigm for this understanding is nonlocal realism. Currently the worldview of local realism guides and frames the understanding and interpretations of science. Local ...
The paradigm that takes account of the psychological reality of hidden assumptions and predispositions we call nonlocal realism. From the viewpoint of this paradigm scientific measurements are products of the mind, and hence all paradigms are essentially psychological. This paper is written from the worldview of nonlocal realism and as a consequence proposes that a paradigm operates as a psychological navigation aid that guides the scientist’s actions and dictates how things are measured and interpreted. From the point of view of nonlocal realism, scientific measurements always have at least two levels: the first is the psychology of the paradigm itself; the second will involve a series of instruments and controls, and that will include the symbols of mathematics, and all of these will be arranged and used according to the sightlines and principles of the paradigm.
This concept is also related to Quantum non-locality: Quantum nonlocality - Wikipedia
In theoretical physics, quantum nonlocality refers to the phenomenon by which the measurement statistics of a multipartite quantum system do not allow an interpretation with local realism. Quantum nonlocality has been experimentally verified under a variety of physical assumptions.[1][2][3][4][5]
Quantum nonlocality does not allow for faster-than-light communication,[6] and hence is compatible with special relativity and its universal speed limit of objects. Thus, quantum theory is local in the strict sense defined by special relativity and, as such, the term "quantum nonlocality" is sometimes considered a misnomer.[7] Still, it prompts many of the foundational discussions concerning quantum theory.
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Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
That's ok, you are not alone, it is a faculty that is yet undeveloped in you.
it is a faculty that is yet undeveloped in you.?!?!?! Odd egocentric accusation without responding to the substance of the post.
Subjective assertions pseudo-science does not justify non-local consciousness, Your thread question considers a Big subjective IF scenario::
If science proves that non-local consciousness is real . . .
Also note: Science does not prove anything.
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Peace to all,
I just had a quick question? If science doesn’t prove anything, how can it ever? I’ve always agreed with science, failing always in proving and the smartest men in the world have thrown in the towel, rationally and logically saying asking “I don’t know how it is done”. That is why I think logic is the only solution.
In logic and through the Faith of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac are cousins and through the Faith of Christ all become again brothers. Science can never prove that yet we become from cousins to brothers from the spirit through the flesh for the soul becoming united as one in the Body of Christ becoming again into the image of the Creator God for The Father,
Does this follow correct logic?
Thanks to all in advance.
Peace always,
Stephen
I just had a quick question? If science doesn’t prove anything, how can it ever? I’ve always agreed with science, failing always in proving and the smartest men in the world have thrown in the towel, rationally and logically saying asking “I don’t know how it is done”. That is why I think logic is the only solution.
In logic and through the Faith of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac are cousins and through the Faith of Christ all become again brothers. Science can never prove that yet we become from cousins to brothers from the spirit through the flesh for the soul becoming united as one in the Body of Christ becoming again into the image of the Creator God for The Father,
Does this follow correct logic?
Thanks to all in advance.
Peace always,
Stephen
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OK - semantically badly worded, true. Better is: If scientists prove...
Peace to all,
To me non-local consciences would be the intelligence of creation becoming into the human in logic, perhaps being delivered through some kind of logical flesh manipulation like perhaps, when He in the face of a blind man twice so that he could see again.
Peace always,
Stephen
To me non-local consciences would be the intelligence of creation becoming into the human in logic, perhaps being delivered through some kind of logical flesh manipulation like perhaps, when He in the face of a blind man twice so that he could see again.
Peace always,
Stephen
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There is a non-theistic possibility. It's been demonstrated that quantum non-locality exists. It's been theorized that quantum processes might be involved in consciousness. If that's true it's possible that non-local consciousness exists. From the perspective I'm using in this post, this needs to be proven to be accepted but if it's scientifically demonstrated then there's an explanation for the discussion in the CIA paper that I referred to in the OP..
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
There is no substance to your post, you admit you are not spiritually aware, it follows logically that anything you say about is just 'noise'.
So how do you think spiritual awareness works if not subjective?
As to your "If science proves that non-local consciousness is real....", I don't know but so far as I understand it, science can't prove objectively a subjective experience.
I read over this reference and found the conclusions completely cited reflects the intent of the evaluation of the previous research, which in general inconclusive and in the need for more research and issues of methodology. Some results were statistically significant but the results were unpredictable.
I could not post the conclusions because they are locked, I will answer more on this reference.
It is subjective and that is problem with beliefs and not consistent claims as to who is spiritually aware. Personally I consider it an arrogant claim like many conflicting claims.
At present I take the position of insufficient information to confirm your claims.
The problem is using anthropomorphic 'consciousness' to describe natural processes.
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The CIA paper cited does not offer an explanation nor definitive conclusions. It simply analyzed the research objectively as to the methods, procedures and statistical methods
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Ahem, a subjective experience is not a belief, or do you imagine that when you experience say, a fright, you don't claim to have experienced a fright, but you say you have this belief that you experienced a fright.
You seem to have not only insufficient information, but also insufficient understanding of reality to confirm whether you have ever experienced a subjective experience, you can only confirm that you believe you have.
In the context of your posts you described spiritual awareness as the 'belief necessary for holding your view, The basis for Spiritual awareness is a religious belief by definition.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Please show where I described spiritual awareness as a belief. You have obviously not read many of my posts, I am forever explaining to whoever is interested in serious religious practice that reality is forever on the other side of conceptualization/belief. A belief, as with a concept, may be meant to represent reality, but it is not actually the reality, and never will be. To realize the religious state of non-duality, one must cease all thought, totally, then reality is actually present.