If sin creates victims, then Gays and prostitutes are innocent.

[Greatest I am]

If sin creates victims, then Gays and prostitutes are innocent.

My definition of sin says that sin is something that creates a victim or someone somehow hurt by the action. Someone must stand to complain about any given action before it can become a sin.

If there is no one that can legitimately say that they were directly or indirectly hurt by the actions of a gay person or prostitute then there is no sin.

The reason I bring up this topic is that I see that secular law will become the law of all nations in the near future. Religious law will become inconsequential to the state.
Even today, there are few states that practice religious law. They are under pressure as we speak to change.

I foresee, that at some point in time, the corner store will become the corner den of legal prostitution, gambling and drugs/alcohol use. Abortion clinics will likely be on the top floor of these corner store.

Some countries presently have laws against these so called victimless crimes. Those laws will eventually disappear.

With my definition of sin, I cannot and would not stop this trend.

I do not see this coming situation as one of a dignified nation populated by dignified men. What used to be restricted to red light districts will be everywhere. This unsightly, some would say ungodly, situation has always existed but at an underground level. Soon it will be above ground.

Is this future as I describe inevitable?

Will religionists have to bite the bullet and just close their eyes as they see their children drawn into this future/present life style?

Regards
DL

 

[gnostophiliac]

In a loving partnership I would suggest that both partners gain something from the intimacy of sex. In this case prostitutes are taking something from the partnership that is not the sole right of either partner alone to give. A felony of a kind. Apart from that, legalising and regulating prostitution would make so much more sense than the current wilful ignorance of the trade.

 

[Smoke]

In this case prostitutes are taking something from the partnership that is not the sole right of either partner alone to give.

Only assuming that the client (a) is actually in a loving and committed relationship and (b) is deceiving his partner by doing business with a prostitute. I'm sure there are many cases in which the first assumption is wrong, rendering the second moot.

 

[MissAlice]

Yes but some people have a subjective view of what sin is thus a belief in wrong-doing which espouses certain penalties such as punishments.

I've known some religionists who think god will forgive adultery but not homosexuality. In other words the adulterer was the victim but not the homosexual.

 

[RamaRaksha]

They have done nothing wrong, all GOOD SOULS, emphasis on souls not human beings, are welcomed by God Rama. There is room in God's heart for everyone. God is not bound by our criteria of right and wrong.

A baby is abondoned in the streets, he grows up hungry, abused, mocked and beaten. He committs several crimes and dies. He goes to hell where he is abused, mocked and beaten?

Primitive religions, primitive ideas.

 

[Greatest I am]

In a loving partnership I would suggest that both partners gain something from the intimacy of sex. In this case prostitutes are taking something from the partnership that is not the sole right of either partner alone to give. A felony of a kind. Apart from that, legalising and regulating prostitution would make so much more sense than the current wilful ignorance of the trade.

How do you get a felony out of two people doing what they voluntarily decide to do?

Who is hurt and how?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Yes but some people have a subjective view of what sin is thus a belief in wrong-doing which espouses certain penalties such as punishments.

I've known some religionists who think god will forgive adultery but not homosexuality. In other words the adulterer was the victim but not the homosexual.

Double standard for the same friction of sexual parts. Strange indeed.

Regards
DL

 

[Gunfingers]

While the actual act of trading sex for money creates no victims, prostitution itself is an industry rife with victimization of the prostitutes themselves. Go watch "Taken". That stuff is real.

 

[Greatest I am]

They have done nothing wrong, all GOOD SOULS, emphasis on souls not human beings, are welcomed by God Rama. There is room in God's heart for everyone. God is not bound by our criteria of right and wrong.

A baby is abondoned in the streets, he grows up hungry, abused, mocked and beaten. He committs several crimes and dies. He goes to hell where he is abused, mocked and beaten?

Primitive religions, primitive ideas.

I agree.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

While the actual act of trading sex for money creates no victims, prostitution itself is an industry rife with victimization of the prostitutes themselves. Go watch "Taken". That stuff is real.

This fact may be why some secular governments are legalizing it.
Laws that hinder victimization is good law.

Regards
DL

 

[Gunfingers]

There are actually conflicting reports, with some saying that legalization reduces trafficking and some saying legalization increases trafficking. Lousy universe and its never having simple clear solution to problems. >: (

Apologies for the slight threadjack, by the way.

 

[enchanted_one1975]

Gays, prostitutes and all other sinners will be punished for the acts they comitted. Let me say this I dont hate anybody I just dont approve of the things they do, I am not saying that all these are going to hell but we all have to pay for what we do. If you commit a crime and you get caught you go to jail as a way for you to pay for what you did and you are given the chance to change your life. I am a believer in God but if I dont do what im suppose to then I will be punished in this life and if I dont change then punishment will continue into the next life. God bless

I am sure glad I don't belong to your religion. Once you get away from Abrahamic religions, homosexuality is no longer a sin. it is my belief that those who wrote the bible were homophobes and just decided to spread their hate, mixed with "the word" to try to make everybody hate.

 

[Autodidact]

Gays, prostitutes and all other sinners will be punished for the acts they comitted. Let me say this I dont hate anybody I just dont approve of the things they do, I am not saying that all these are going to hell but we all have to pay for what we do. If you commit a crime and you get caught you go to jail as a way for you to pay for what you did and you are given the chance to change your life. I am a believer in God but if I dont do what im suppose to then I will be punished in this life and if I dont change then punishment will continue into the next life. God bless

Weird God you got there.

 

[TheKnight]

My definition of sin says that sin is something that creates a victim or someone somehow hurt by the action. Someone must stand to complain about any given action before it can become a sin.

Where does this definition of "sin" come from?

Is this future as I describe inevitable?

I don't believe that it is.

 

[TashaN]

If sin creates victims, then Gays and prostitutes are innocent.

My definition of sin says that sin is something that creates a victim or someone somehow hurt by the action. Someone must stand to complain about any given action before it can become a sin.

If there is no one that can legitimately say that they were directly or indirectly hurt by the actions of a gay person or prostitute then there is no sin.

That's YOUR own definition, not THE definition of a sin.

 

[Aquitaine]

Can anyone please tell me how a Homosexual, or Homosexual activity can be hurtfull of harm others?

This is one big thing I've never understood: why is it all the Abrahamic religions have this grudge against Gays, how is one being Gay harmfull?

 

[MSizer]

Can anyone please tell me how a Homosexual, or Homosexual activity can be hurtfull of harm others?

This is one big thing I've never understood: why is it all the Abrahamic religions have this grudge against Gays, how is one being Gay harmfull?

Sadly, when god unleashes his wrath to punish the gays, he's apparently so mad that people nearby get punished too. So, if a homosexual lives next door to you, you'll likely be killed in the wrath of god as he sends earthquakes or floods to punish your neighbor.

Or something like that.

 

[TheKnight]

Can anyone please tell me how a Homosexual, or Homosexual activity can be hurtfull of harm others?

This is one big thing I've never understood: why is it all the Abrahamic religions have this grudge against Gays, how is one being Gay harmfull?

The fact that you have not understood it is because of how you are looking at it. You say "Why is it that Abrahamic religions have a grudge against gays, how is it harmful?" Your question implies that you believe that Abrahamic religions base morality (right and wrong) on what harms people and what does not. This is not the case. Morality, in an Abrahamic religion, is determined by the will of God.

 

[Gunfingers]

Can anyone please tell me how a Homosexual, or Homosexual activity can be hurtfull of harm others?

This is one big thing I've never understood: why is it all the Abrahamic religions have this grudge against Gays, how is one being Gay harmfull?

There were a couple different justifications i've heard from biblical scholars, none particularly relevant anymore.

1) Homosexuality was practiced religiously by some of their rival tribes. The hebrews, in an effort to distinguish themselves, banished this practice in much the same way that they banished constructing golden calves.

2) Without a decent understanding of anatomy and safety, sodomy is dangerous. Many of the laws laid down in Leviticus had practical health reasons for their creation, it's where "kosher" comes from too, so it would make sense to ban dangerous sex play.

3) The guys who wrote the bible were a bunch of big fat bigots who didn't like the idea of dudes doing each other and the book reflected that.

Could be any or all of these, plus i'm sure there are more. Take your pick.

 

[Aquitaine]

Sadly, when god unleashes his wrath to punish the gays, he's apparently so mad that people nearby get punished too. So, if a homosexual lives next door to you, you'll likely be killed in the wrath of god as he sends earthquakes or floods to punish your neighbor.

Or something like that.

O RLY?

I thought it was the whole link between someone being attracted to the same Sex to someone being attracted to children or animals.

I mean, there's so clearly a link there (that's been confirmed by both scientist and the holy books) that once someone chooses to become Gay (because after all, it's merely a choice - duh!), then afterwards they move onto bigger things like Peadophilia and Beastiary, and then after that they all start murdering people and kitten huffing etc.

Isn't that true though, I mean, it makes perfect sense.