mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, science is also philosophy, if you look closer and there is indeed no one true science. If you look at other cultures than the Anglo-Saxon science is not the same.
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If soul is reduced to Physics, how atheists believe in soul?
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Well, science is also philosophy, if you look closer and there is indeed no one true science. If you look at other cultures than the Anglo-Saxon science is not the same.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
"I don't know." is 'Agnosticism'. Atheism is a denial, subject to production of evidence (as you said). Hard/Strong atheism is a irretractable denial (no chance of any such evidence being produced).
Yeah, I am a strong atheist, being an advaitist, since I believe in existence of just one entity, me (which means Brahman, and which constitutes all things in the universe without a second).
I like how you in effect tell me, what I am as an atheist. Well, atheism is not that simple:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/#DefiAthe
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
You have a different belief. That is OK, Mikkel. We are confronted with different beliefs all the time, even in our families. No two "true Hindus" are ever likely to have the same opinion.
are ever likely to have the same opinion.
I am not an anti-theist. I am an orthodox Hindu (Gaudapada type - Gaudapada - Wikipedia, Gaudapadacharya Math - Wikipedia). It is just that my Advaita belief dictates non-acceptance of the possibility of existence of any God. If I believe that something other than Brahman exists, then in my view, I am not an advaitist. And that is what science says, we started with a ball of energy.The antitheist just dials it up to 11 and states, "I know already, God isn't there!"
Personally, I can't resolve Advaita and atheism, but in my experience, I feel the connection so denying it is pointless. Maybe, if you take the take of "belief not being required", but I find it puzzling against. I rely on belief at all, just my subjective experience.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Just taking this line ....
Atheists do not believe in Satan
Atheists do not believe in the Soul. If you mean soul music - I'll give you that.
Freewill, love and hope are not limited to god believing people, they are secular concepts.
February-Saturday
Devil Worshiper
As somebody that was once a theistic Satanist, I can absolutely testify that not only do LaVeyan Satanists not believe in Satan but many of them are actively hostile towards Satanists that do.
That said, you're actually sort of right. LaVey was a Pantheist who believed in magic, and a few theistic Satanist movements splintered off from the Church of Satan. As LaVey aged, though, he became an outright atheist and the CoS has followed suit ever since. If the Church of Satan did believe in Satan, there are a lot of splinter factions that wouldn't exist.
Certainly, whether the church hierarchy itself believes in Satan or not, most LaVeyan Satanists that join the church don't. And if they do believe in Satan, they would not be considered atheists anymore.
You have a different belief. That is OK, Mikkel. We are confronted with different beliefs all the time, even in our families. No two "true Hindus"
Yes, I've especially noticed the two Hindu's don't agree on everything. Much to my dismay, lol.
Most of my readings have been in the commentaries of Adi Shankara, Ramana Maharshi, and even Swami Vivekananda. There is probably more written then I'll ever have time to read.
I do find science completely congruent with Advaita, as you have said. Different sets of eyes can see the same light, though through the act of seeing it they color and have their own impressions. I'm learning this is much the overarching commonality in Hinduism in general.
I don't believe anything but experience it. I feel others' emotions as my own and so on, and for a while found it really hard to explain how that happens. There is only one explanation to me: One 'thing' pretending to be many to the casual observer, lol.
Methinks you need to learn the meaning of atheism before making irrelevant claims about atheism.
Atheism : The disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Nothing more, nothing less
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
It does not pretend. It is what it is, all the time. We in our ignorance (ajnana, maya) take it to be something other than what it really is.
It seems there's a verb missing.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah.
The tough one is, if you can make it so, that you only have evidenced beliefs about the rest of the world other than you?
I still don't understand your posts.
Amazing to me is the fact that `God` ignores the non-believers.
`He` doesn't really care whether or not we a's give a crap !
I haven't heard or had a thought from `God` or `His` angels !
Now, if `God` doesn't care, why the hell do you all ?
Just don't understand the the believer's crooked thinking !
`He` doesn't really care whether or not we a's give a crap !
I haven't heard or had a thought from `God` or `His` angels !
Now, if `God` doesn't care, why the hell do you all ?
Just don't understand the the believer's crooked thinking !
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
It started here:
I then asked you if you had unevidenced beliefs and you answered yes, because you told us, that you have personal preferences you use on other humans' behavior.
Assertive Outsider
New Member
I lost you when you said atheist accept everything. That kind of ignorance is worth mentioning.
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
You sure about this? I'm quite sure that if you ask atheists which of these things they "accept," your results will vary.
I'm in the "camp" that:
- Does NOT believe in Satan, nor soul.
- Is unsure about "freewill" - I feel the jury's still out on that one.
- Accepts "love" as a subjective experience.
Some of the STUFF produced here is Trumpian in nature !
Why exclude: Love, freewill, hope !
Saying that the supreme, ultimate, ordained by.....""LEADER""
Who ordained your Christian `God`, so we could worship `Him` ?
It's all about ordaining someone to the `BOSS`, who does it ??
NuffStuff
Why exclude: Love, freewill, hope !
Saying that the supreme, ultimate, ordained by.....""LEADER""
Who ordained your Christian `God`, so we could worship `Him` ?
It's all about ordaining someone to the `BOSS`, who does it ??
NuffStuff
Really?
I'm not technically an atheist, but I'm an unbeliever. I admit the existence of any number of imaginary gods, but there isn't even a definition of a real god such that if we found a real candidate we could tell whether it was God, or a god, or not.
Nor is there a definition of a real supernatural state or a real supernatural being that would allow us to determine whether any real thing is such a being or in such a state. That rules out any real Satan and any real soul.
Love however is a physical state of attraction explained by evolution and biology, the advantage of pair-bonding through hormonal responses, not least with oxytocin. Love is a particular set of real brainstates ie love is real.
As is hope, simply part of the evolved ability of the brain to consider future possibilities and to have emotional responses to those possibilities.
As for freewill, yes we all know of occasions when we can decide between A and B independently of external coercion.
However, we know of no instances where the brain can make non-random decisions dependently of its evolved and physical decision-making processes.
I don't think the universe is mathematics. That would mean that without humans the universe doesn't exist, since maths is entirely conceptual, and humans are the only critters we know of that do maths that's at all complex.
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Ah, if wishes were horses ...