If the Chinese people were Muslims, we would not have Covid -19!!

[Terrywoodenpic]

This is a nice theory but still a theory since it has not been proven it came from eating a bat. Actually there was much talk in the Chinese scientific (medical) community about a strong possibility that it came from an infected worker at the lab in Wuhan that spread it to the wild food market. And I say “there was” because shortly after that discussion the PRC closed down much of the Chinese social media outlets

The Chinese are no better and no worse at promoting conspiracy theories than anyone else. And they are no more likely to be true. Social media is often more part of the problem than a help. However the Chinese authorities are more proactive in stamping such things out than most western countries.
It would seem to me, to be hard to defend social media's right to spread harmful conspiracy theories. Solely on the ground of free speech.

 

[Altfish]

Where did you get that idea from. Thousands of Muslims are to be found in UK universities and colleges most studying science based subjects.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Also, prophet Muhammad said, seek knowledge even if it is in China. This saying reflects the high consideration of the ancient Chinese wisdom.

Euh... I suggest the opposite is true.
If you say "...EVEN if it is in china" then that is quite condescending to the chinese people. The word "even" turns it into an implication saying that these people are generally idiots who don't have anything interesting to say, but that you could still learn from them in the rare occasion that they say something smart.

But perhaps this is a translation issue.
In any case, the way you wrote it, it doesn't hold the chinese in high esteem at all.

"If the Chinese people were Muslims, we would not have Covid -19!!” Since as you all know, In Islam humans are not allowed to eat bats, and are not allowed to eat many other infectious food stuff.

Yes I know there are many other religions have similar teachings, so this may be applied to these other religions too. Although, we know that Muslims in general tend to practice their religion very much.

What is your take on this matter?

I think it's a post hoc meaningless claim, which also assumes all kind of things (like the infection being caused by eating bats - which is simply not true).
Having said that, nasty deseases may just as well come from pets, cows, chickens, camels etc.

If this is an attempt at showing how "superior" islam is, then it fails miserably.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

All animals can be infectious sometimes. This is another story.

No. It is the exact same story.
It's nasty deseases jumping from animals to humans.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

IMO:
Not so weird. I had a similar idea. 1 year ago in Holland and other countries they wanted women not to cover their face. The ironi.

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Covering your face is not such a bad idea we know now. In Holland they tell all people now to wear a scarf when going outside).

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The facemasks today serve an actual societal purpose as, in case you didn't notice, there is a serious health crisis going on.

If you wish to compare that to putting women in bags just because they are women, go right ahead.
But clearly these are not the same things.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Where did you get that idea from. Thousands of Muslims are to be found in UK universities and colleges most studying science based subjects.

Go look up the number of muslims who received a nobel prize in the natural sciences, or even only were nobel candidates.

It's actually as good as none. Which is widely disproportional considering the amount of muslims in the world.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

No. It is the exact same story.
It's nasty deseases jumping from animals to humans.

How many animals are infected by humans?
Often intentionally.... In labs.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The Chinese are no better and no worse at promoting conspiracy theories than anyone else.

No, they are actually much better at it then most of the rest of the world.
The authoritarian power they hold over their populace, the ability to make people "disappear" without a trace, the digital wall around china allowing them to cut off communication with the rest of the world, etc etc etc.

The result of such things is that it becomes rather easy to cover-up whatever they don't want the rest of the world to know.

Not that I believe the theory of the infected lab worker. Perhaps it's true, perhaps it isn't. I don't think it matters. The virusses being researched in those labs, are virusses that were sampled in the wild. They aren't virusses that were manufactured. Genetic sequencing and analysis of the genome of this virus has already ruled out that is was created in the lab.

So it might be from the lab, it might be from the wild, as the virus exists in both places.
It doesn't matter as we have to deal with it either way.

And they are no more likely to be true. Social media is often more part of the problem than a help. However the Chinese authorities are more proactive in stamping such things out than most western countries.
It would seem to me, to be hard to defend social media's right to spread harmful conspiracy theories. Solely on the ground of free speech.

China and free speech? Lol.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Go look up the number of muslims who received a nobel prize in the natural sciences, or even only were nobel candidates.

It's actually as good as none. Which is widely disproportional considering the amount of muslims in the world.

Is this because they have no scientists or because the are Muslims.
Lots of people's and races are under represented in the Nobel prize nominations and awards.

China only has 8 and there are a lot of Chinese living there.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

China and free speech? Lol.

China does not support the concept of free speech.
The West does to one degree or another.
Governments still suppress free speech by legislation and by government agencies.

free speech is a busted flush.

 

[syo]

What is your take on this matter?

The only reason I wear a mask is to avoid hysterical people.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

How many animals are indexed by humans?
Often intentionally.... In labs.

Doesn't matter.
Point is that virusses jump from animals to humans all the time in the wild (and vice versa).

The vast majority of them. I don't actually know of a single widespread desease that came from a lab.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Is this because they have no scientists or because the are Muslims.

Well you tell me...
You said there were plenty of them working at plenty of universities and that they aren't opposed to science at all.

Yet, the numbers don't lie. If plenty of them are scientists and aren't limited in their work for one reason or another, then why are they virtually absent from the Nobel initiative?

You gotta admit at least, that it is a curious correlation....

Lots of people's and races are under represented in the Nobel prize nominations and awards.

China only has 8 and there are a lot of Chinese living there.

Still better then none.

The chinese however are notorious of not really innovating much... The caricature is actually that they are copycats. They let others pay for the research and do the hard work. Then they, not caring about patents even, just adopt those technologies.

There's this joke in the dev world where internet statistics show that china has the largest base of windows xp installations in the world. Yet according to microsoft, they only sold 50 licenses there.

(it's a joke - not reality, but it is based in reality as the amounf of xp running machines there is widely disproportional to the amount of licenses sold)

 

[sayak83]

I would start by saying that I like the Chinese people very much.

Indeed, during my higher studies, I Used to live with Chinese people, who are really very very friendly.

Also, prophet Muhammad said, seek knowledge even if it is in China. This saying reflects the high consideration of the ancient Chinese wisdom.

However, lately I have been thinking of this somewhat weird Idea :

"If the Chinese people were Muslims, we would not have Covid -19!!” Since as you all know, In Islam humans are not allowed to eat bats, and are not allowed to eat many other infectious food stuff.

Yes I know there are many other religions have similar teachings, so this may be applied to these other religions too. Although, we know that Muslims in general tend to practice their religion very much.

What is your take on this matter?

And I apologize to anyone who sees this offensive.

Or Hindus, or Jains, or Buddhists, or vegans, or simply had more hygenic meat markets.....

 

[Wu Wei]

The Chinese are no better and no worse at promoting conspiracy theories than anyone else. And they are no more likely to be true. Social media is often more part of the problem than a help. However the Chinese authorities are more proactive in stamping such things out than most western countries.
It would seem to me, to be hard to defend social media's right to spread harmful conspiracy theories. Solely on the ground of free speech.

it was a medical group that my wife is part of, she is a doctor from China. The Non-mainland China part is still there, the Mainland Chinese side is gone. A group of doctors, not exactly what you would consider your typical Conspiracy theorists

 

[Father Heathen]

 

[stvdv]

However, lately I have been thinking of this somewhat weird Idea :

"If the Chinese people were Muslims, we would not have Covid -19!!” Since as you all know, In Islam humans are not allowed to eat bats, and are not allowed to eat many other infectious food stuff.

Yes I know there are many other religions have similar teachings, so this may be applied to these other religions too. Although, we know that Muslims in general tend to practice their religion very much.

What is your take on this matter?

IMO:
Not so weird. I had a similar idea. 1 year ago in Holland and other countries they wanted women not to cover their face. The ironi.
Covering your face is not such a bad idea we know now. In Holland they tell all people now to wear a scarf when going outside).

What a dishonest comparision.
The facemasks today serve an actual societal purpose as, in case you didn't notice, there is a serious health crisis going on.

You are so wrong again (I explained this so many times to you, next time I will reply with )
I gave my opinion, and you reply with a claim here, which can be easily proven FALSE (it even violates RF Rules)
And your cynical reply only tells something about you, in case you don't know that

 

[stvdv]

However, lately I have been thinking of this somewhat weird Idea :

"If the Chinese people were Muslims, we would not have Covid -19!!” Since as you all know, In Islam humans are not allowed to eat bats, and are not allowed to eat many other infectious food stuff.

Yes I know there are many other religions have similar teachings, so this may be applied to these other religions too. Although, we know that Muslims in general tend to practice their religion very much.

What is your take on this matter?

IMO:
Not so weird. I had a similar idea. 1 year ago in Holland and other countries they wanted women not to cover their face. The ironi.
Covering your face is not such a bad idea we know now. In Holland they tell all people now to wear a scarf when going outside).

What a dishonest comparision.
The facemasks today serve an actual societal purpose as, in case you didn't notice, there is a serious health crisis going on.

If you wish to compare that to putting women in bags just because they are women, go right ahead.

This only proves that you do not see the "real purpose/value of the veil as it is used/meant in Islam"
This only proves that you judge all Muslims, just because a small percentage abuse women putting them, as you call it, "in bags"

 

[stvdv]

IMO:
Not so weird. I had a similar idea. 1 year ago in Holland and other countries they wanted women not to cover their face. The ironi.
Covering your face is not such a bad idea we know now. In Holland they tell all people now to wear a scarf when going outside).

What a dishonest comparision..

Your opinion (that is a fact), so don't claim it as a fact

If you wish to compare that to putting women in bags just because they are women, go right ahead.

You know why you are cynical? (no need to answer, just do some introspection)

 

[stvdv]

IMO:
Not so weird. I had a similar idea. 1 year ago in Holland and other countries they wanted women not to cover their face. The ironi.
Covering your face is not such a bad idea we know now. In Holland they tell all people now to wear a scarf when going outside).

What a dishonest comparision
If you wish to compare that to putting women in bags just because they are women, go right ahead.

But clearly these are not the same things.

Exactly, finally I agree. Many Muslimas see the veil in Islam as good. Your belittling/demeaning interpretation "women in bags" is clearly not the same