If the Chinese people were Muslims, we would not have Covid -19!!

[stvdv]

there's a recent report on youtube
the China swine flu become a pandemic

On Youtube? It must be true, then.

@Thief did not claim it to be true, just sharing information

On Youtube? It must be true, then.

I do remember that with Corona people/governments did not take it serious in the beginning, hence trouble later on

 

[firedragon]

I would start by saying that I like the Chinese people very much.

Indeed, during my higher studies, I Used to live with Chinese people, who are really very very friendly.

Also, prophet Muhammad said, seek knowledge even if it is in China. This saying reflects the high consideration of the ancient Chinese wisdom.

However, lately I have been thinking of this somewhat weird Idea :

"If the Chinese people were Muslims, we would not have Covid -19!!” Since as you all know, In Islam humans are not allowed to eat bats, and are not allowed to eat many other infectious food stuff.

Yes I know there are many other religions have similar teachings, so this may be applied to these other religions too. Although, we know that Muslims in general tend to practice their religion very much.

What is your take on this matter?

And I apologize to anyone who sees this offensive.

1. It is true that Covid 19 evolved into humans from bats according to some studies. But that does not empirically prove that this definitely is because people eat bats. Its not yet proven, thus I think we should await more evidence to that.

2. Also, the problem is not just about eating bats (if that is the case) but how you cook it.

3. Maybe another day, tomorrow, in a year or in 10 years, there would be another disease that find to have come from chicken. On that day, what could we come up with?

4. Jews practice the kosher heavily too brother and they have far more prohibitions than any Muslim ever practiced. Thus, in this case as a response to the OP I would like to say if the Chinese were Jewish also your thesis applies.

Peace.

 

[Shia Islam]

If China were Hindu, and pure vegetarians, we wouldn't have any of these viruses. These come when people live in close proximity with these animals which are bread for food, whether they are bats, or camels, pigs, or cows, fowl, etc.

Islam does not forbid living with and eating of animals, so that would not stop these from happening. The Hindus got it right. Not so much, the rest of us. Perhaps it's time to give up eating animals?

Islam has not only forbidden eating certain animals, it has encouraged people not to eat animals too much.

However, according to Islam, not eating animals completely, will have some negative effects on Humans. I am almost sure that I have almost noticed these effects on some of the vegetarian people I knew. However, it is a complicated issue. and some may say that there are other hidden factors causing these effects on those people.

 

[stvdv]

However, according to Islam, not eating animals completely, will have some negative effects on Humans.

In my experience it is true, that you must be alert when switching to vegetarian diet, otherwise it can have negative effects.

Because of wrong diet when young, I got kidney problems + Crohn's disease. Hence for me animal products are not good
When I became vegetarian, after a few years I got a B12 deficiency. So, I need to inject B12

However, it is a complicated issue. and some may say that there are other hidden factors causing these effects on those people.

My B12 deficiency might be due to Crohn's Disease or other physical problems, but is easily solved by B12 injections (no need for eating meat)

 

[Shia Islam]

Euh... I suggest the opposite is true.
If you say "...EVEN if it is in china" then that is quite condescending to the chinese people. The word "even" turns it into an implication saying that these people are generally idiots who don't have anything interesting to say, but that you could still learn from them in the rare occasion that they say something smart.

But perhaps this is a translation issue.
In any case, the way you wrote it, it doesn't hold the chinese in high esteem at all.

The Hadith is Saying "...EVEN if it is in china", because travelling for Arabia to China at those ancient time was very difficult and dangerous

nasty deseases may just as well come from pets, cows, chickens, camels etc.

If this is an attempt at showing how "superior" islam is, then it fails miserably.

If you think that eating mice, bats, etc.
Is same as eating chicken and goats, then you eat what you like.

 

[stvdv]

Also, prophet Muhammad said, seek knowledge even if it is in China. This saying reflects the high consideration of the ancient Chinese wisdom.

Euh... I suggest the opposite is true.
If you say "...EVEN if it is in china" then that is quite condescending to the chinese people. The word "even" turns it into an implication saying that these people are generally idiots who don't have anything interesting to say, but that you could still learn from them in the rare occasion that they say something smart.

I read the words of Muhammad in a positive way
It is very important that you seek knowledge, even if it means that you need to go to China for it

And these words of Muhammad even implies something very friendly
The Prophet implies that there might be Wisdom in China
So, indeed "high consideration of the ancient Chinese wisdom"

 

[Vee]

What is your take on this matter?

People eat what they have available and what they are culturally used to eat. I'm not saying that eating bats or endangered wild life is a good idea, but if you look into the history of China you will understand why people got used to eating things that for most of us are weird.
The problem is not so much what they eat, but the lack of hygiene. A lot of health problems have come out of Asian food markets due to their filthiness. If a place that sells food, specially of animal origin is dirty, then pestilences are going to spread.
I remember being in a street market in Thailand once and it was a warm day, around 30°C and there was fruit, and meat cut in pieces under the sun, without any protection and plenty of flies. It was so disgusting.

 

[stvdv]

I remember being in a street market in Thailand once and it was a warm day, around 30°C and there was fruit, and meat cut in pieces under the sun, without any protection and plenty of flies. It was so disgusting.

My first time in Indonesia I bought coconut water on the street. Normally they cut it fresh, this was standing there in the open for some time. I and a friend got really sick from it. Some bacteria I think. I needed some big chemical pills to get better again. So hygiene is very important, esp. when so hot.

 

[Piculet]

No, but muslims eat camels. We would have MERS instead, which is far nastier. Middle East respiratory syndrome - Wikipedia

That didn't come from eating camels. It came from touching them also.

 

[Piculet]

And if the Chinese followed Islam they would have secluded their nation sooner and better and the epidemic would not have spread the way it has (most likely).

 

[Piculet]

there's a recent report on youtube
the China swine flu become a pandemic

That's called a baseless rumour.

 

[exchemist]

That didn't come from eating camels. It came from touching them also.

Yes that's true. But eating them wouldn't help.

I've never eaten camel, myself, even when I was in Dubai, but I did see one or two being brought in to the slaughterhouse on the creek, which was next to our office.

 

[exchemist]

@Thief did not claim it to be true, just sharing information

I do remember that with Corona people/governments did not take it serious in the beginning, hence trouble later on

"Just sharing information", without checking if it is true, is exactly how fake news is spread on the internet.

 

[Piculet]

Yes that's true. But eating them wouldn't help.

But do you blame the swine flu on people eating pork?

 

[exchemist]

But do you blame the swine flu on people eating pork?

What swine flu?

P.S. But in fact I'm a being a bit facetious. We don't attribute any of these diseases, including SARS-Cov-2, to people necessarily eating something. It is contact with infected animals, in whatever form, that is the cause. So the whole premise of the thread is mistaken.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Well you tell me...
You said there were plenty of them working at plenty of universities and that they aren't opposed to science at all.

Yet, the numbers don't lie. If plenty of them are scientists and aren't limited in their work for one reason or another, then why are they virtually absent from the Nobel initiative?

You gotta admit at least, that it is a curious correlation....

Prejudice perhaps? Or they do not write their papers in English.

Still better then none.

The chinese however are notorious of not really innovating much... The caricature is actually that they are copycats. They let others pay for the research and do the hard work. Then they, not caring about patents even, just adopt those technologies.

That accusation was put against Japan after the war, however it proves to be entirely false.

China is as innovative as other countries and has leading scientists and engineers in every field.
It is perhaps difficult to remember that the british porcelain industry was founded on Chinese technology and even today we are still copying their designs. Not to mention the invention of Gunpowder and paper, and many other everyday things.
To day their industry is well ahead of ours especially in the field of telecommunications, and electronics.

There's this joke in the dev world where internet statistics show that china has the largest base of windows xp installations in the world. Yet according to microsoft, they only sold 50 licenses there.

(it's a joke - not reality, but it is based in reality as the amounf of xp running machines there is widely disproportional to the amount of licenses sold)

That is another issue entirely. Software piracy is rife throughout the world. as is the theft of creative media, I would not like to guess who has taken more of what?

 

[stvdv]

"Just sharing information", without checking if it is true, is exactly how fake news is spread on the internet.

When I read on the internet then I consider all China virus news "fake news", except when they claim it's "peer reviewed". I remembering that W.H.O. and Governments were even spreading "false information" (1 day masks are not needed, but finally admitting it is needed).

 

[exchemist]

When I read on the internet then I consider all China virus news "fake news", except when they claim it's "peer reviewed". I remembering that W.H.O. and Governments were even spreading "false information" (1 day masks are not needed, but finally admitting it is needed).

You are confusing facts and advice.

Advice commonly changes. When advice changes, it does not make the previous advice "fake".

 

[Valjean]

If Chinese were vegetarians or vegans, we would not have COVID-19.



So we're all faced with a tough decision today. Should we convert to Islam or become vegan or vegetarian?

Oh wait. Never mind. It's 2020 and COVID-19 is a thing, so it's a moot point.

So person to person transmission doesn't happen among vegetarians? That's how the disease is being spread today, regardless of origins.

Food animals get infected by contamination of their food. We eat the food animal. We become infected and pass it on to a dozen vegetarians just by talking to them.

 

[stvdv]

You are confusing facts and advice.

Advice commonly changes. When advice changes, it does not make the previous advice "fake".

Come on, masks are of course useful when dealing with a virus. That is a fact. I don't claim they protect 100%. Why would doctors use masks? It's for protecting the patients + protecting themselves. So, 2 way protection. So it is a fact that masks protect against virus.

I understand why they gave first the advice "masks are not needed"
Because it is a fact that China bought most of the masks, so in the West they did not have enough masks to give such advice.