Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I would grant that one since there were a lot of children born in Bethlehem.
How many children born in Bethlehem were born of a virgin?
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If the Jewish Messiah has already come….
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I believe I would grant that one since there were a lot of children born in Bethlehem.
How many children born in Bethlehem were born of a virgin?
Tumah
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No thanks.I couldn't care less.
I don't know what story you're talking about, but this case is probably not a transgression. Fulfilling the court's sentence for death is considered a Biblical commandment. Discussing how one is going to fulfill a commandment - even if that commandment can't be fulfilled on the Sabbath, is permitted on the Sabbath. So had they judged him for death, discussing how to kill him after the Sabbath may be permitted.
1. That's not how labor is determined.
2.As I've said before, this type of case is probably permitted and stems from an assumption that healing is prohibited on the Sabbath. Its not. It certain types of actions that are present in common types of healing that are prohibited. The author of that passage was probably not aware of the details of the prohibition.
You can't pull an animal out of a ditch on the Sabbath. If its in pain or can't be fed, then you're permitted to transgress some Rabbinic enactments in order to help the animal get out on its own, since the Biblical prohibition of causing pain to an animal overrules the Rabbinical enactment. But you can't actually pull the animal out of the ditch.
Similarly, if a person is serious pain such that he can't eat, then you'd be allowed to to transgress some of the Rabbinic enactments (or more, depending on the severity of the issue) to heal him too.
So what you're saying really has no basis.
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Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the text says done away with. There is no need for prophecy in The Kingdom of God when it comes.
Tumah
Veteran Member
You mean like how Joel 3:1 says there would be?
From which explicit laws of the Torah did you derive your answer?
Tumah
Veteran Member
I derived my answer from the Talmud. But I believe at least part of it is derived from "between me and the children of Israel (Ex. 31:17)".
If I can find it and have time(a funny thing for someone retired to say) I will stick my 2 cents worst in. My 2 cents worth might worth a dime to someone.
Olivet Discourse - Part 1
From where in the Torah does the Talmud derive its authority?
Tumah
Veteran Member
I'm not sure that the Talmud needs to derive its authority from the Torah, however I have heard Deut. 17:8-13 bandied around.
rosends
Well-Known Member
None. Ever.
It sounds similar to the judicial system in the West but based on Mosaic Law. Is that right?
Would you provide specific references to the Talmud, which have led you to consider that I wouldn't be put to death on the Sabbath for practising medicine?
You must appreciate how uncomfortable someone like me would feel about doing my duty if there was a risk I might incur severe punishment. I'm just an ordinary man who is a doctor motivated to provide a service to the community.
Tumah
Veteran Member
I'm not sure what the "it" is that you're referring to. The Biblical passage? The Talmud?
Sure.
Sanhedrin 58b
And Reish Lakish said, 'a non-Jew who rests on Sabbath incurs the death penalty as it says, "day and night they shall not rest (Gen. 8:22)"'...Ravina said, 'even on Monday'. And [why not] count it among the Seven [Noahide] Laws? [The Seven Noahide Law only] count passive Laws. Active commandments are not counted.
Sanhedrin 57a
Rav Huna and Rav Yehudah and all the students of Rav said, 'On the Seven [Noahide] Laws, a non-Jew is killed.'
The first passage tells us that a non-Jew incurs the death penalty for resting on the Sabbath and that its not one of the Seven Noahide Laws. The second passage tells us that the death penalty is only meted out for the Seven Noahide Laws.
Well, now you can practice in peace.
roger1440
I do stuff
It was common back then. That's why it never made the news.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Duet 22:4
You shall not see your brother’s donkey or his ox fallen down by the way and ignore them. You shall help him to lift them up again.
"when you come upon it' is not "after waiting till the sabbath is over'
no mention of time or sabbath
Likewise if you see a runaway animal... might that rightly apply to a a dog or cat? ... of your neighbor... chase it
Duet 22 “You shall not see your brother's ox or his sheep going astray and ignore them. You shall take them back to your brother. 2 And if he does not live near you and you do not know who he is, you shall bring it home to your house, and it shall stay with you until your brother seeks it. Then you shall restore it to him. 3 And you shall do the same with his donkey or with his garment, or with any lost thing of your brother's, which he loses and you find; you may not ignore it. 4 You shall not see your brother's donkey or his ox fallen down by the way and ignore them. You shall help him to lift them up again.
Make sure you 'bring it home' until 'your brother seeks it
"... any lost thing of your brother's ..."
so.. yes... applies to dog, cat .. or any property
You shall not see your brother’s donkey or his ox fallen down by the way and ignore them. You shall help him to lift them up again.
"when you come upon it' is not "after waiting till the sabbath is over'
no mention of time or sabbath
Likewise if you see a runaway animal... might that rightly apply to a a dog or cat? ... of your neighbor... chase it
Duet 22 “You shall not see your brother's ox or his sheep going astray and ignore them. You shall take them back to your brother. 2 And if he does not live near you and you do not know who he is, you shall bring it home to your house, and it shall stay with you until your brother seeks it. Then you shall restore it to him. 3 And you shall do the same with his donkey or with his garment, or with any lost thing of your brother's, which he loses and you find; you may not ignore it. 4 You shall not see your brother's donkey or his ox fallen down by the way and ignore them. You shall help him to lift them up again.
Make sure you 'bring it home' until 'your brother seeks it
"... any lost thing of your brother's ..."
so.. yes... applies to dog, cat .. or any property
Right, but He has fulfilled part of them and He promises to return,t and that means when He does return, He will finish the rest.
roger1440
I do stuff
Explain the virgin prophecy please.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
None.
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
No where in Jewish scripture does it say there is only one anointed, nor does it say there is only one anointing. But, it does say that there will be many proxies, or mediators:
Daniel 12:3
And those teaching do shine as the brightness of the expanse, and those justifying the multitude as stars to the age and for ever.
The judicial systems in some western countries and Israel too are based on either common or civil law. These are of course secular though in Israel there are seperate courts for Jews and Muslims that can decide on such things as family matters. The approach is to consider previous rulings of judges. The similarity is the Talmud appears to consider previous rulings of priests. The comparison is not the best one, and perhaps a better one would be with theocracies.
The Talmud being based on Mosaic law has authority derived from the passage cited in Deuteronomy for priests and judges to make such rulings.
Would it be fair in your opinion to consider a civilisation or nation based on Mosaic law in the manner you are proposing a theocracy? If not, why not?
Theocracy - Wikipedia
I appreciate the openness and clarity demonstrating how such rulings are made.
I live in a country where I don't concern myself with such matters. If I became a convert ot Judaism would I be able to practice medicine on the Sabbath?
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Brilliant!
The sacred texts are filled with hidden spiritual meanings. I was wondering what further insight you had?