If you are religious/believe in a god, do you.....

[We Never Know]

If you are religious/believe in a god,, do you.....

- fear death? If so why? Shouldn't death and going to heaven be the greatest thing that can happen?

-do you worry day to day about things? If yes why? Isn't a god in control of it all and its all part of his plan?

 

[Viker]

I don't fear death. I don't desire it either. I believe in living and doing so for the here and now. I can "join the Gods" without having to die to get there.


I'm religious, BTW.

 

[We Never Know]

I don't fear death. I don't desire it either. I believe in living and doing so for the here and now. I can "join the Gods" without having to die to get there.


I'm religious, BTW.

Isn't the ultimate, best, destination for religious folk heaven?

 

[Viker]

Isn't the ultimate, best, destination for religious folk heaven?

Depends on the definition of heaven. I believe in something like it, not exactly the traditional type, can be obtained now.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

If you are religious/believe in a god,, do you.....

- fear death? If so why? Shouldn't death and going to heaven be the greatest thing that can happen?

-do you worry day to day about things? If yes why? Isn't a god in control of it all and its all part of his plan?

As a Wiccan, a spiritualist, and a medium, I am not afraid of dying. I no longer fear death as I did when I was a Christian because I have many years of experience as a medium, which has given me a better understanding of what happens to human spirits in the afterlife. I do, however, wonder how my life will end and whether I will choose to or be able to cross over into the spirit world. However, I try not to dwell on my death as much as I did when I was a Christian. When I was a Christian, I was scared of dying because, despite being a Christian, I had always feared dying in unforgiven sin and going to hell.

I'm no longer a Christian, so my fear of dying in unforgiven sin is gone. The afterlife isn't as much of a mystery to me as it once was, and I'm less concerned about what will happen after I die. After 15 years as a practicing medium, I've decided that death and the afterlife aren't something I should be afraid of.

 

[Muffled]

If you are religious/believe in a god,, do you.....

- fear death? If so why? Shouldn't death and going to heaven be the greatest thing that can happen?

-do you worry day to day about things? If yes why? Isn't a god in control of it all and its all part of his plan?

I believe I am a Christian and do not fear death. When I had my heart attack last July, my concern was not that I could die but rather that I had to give up the concept that I was in good health.

 

[Muffled]

Isn't the ultimate, best, destination for religious folk heaven?

I believe the best destination is eternal life in The Kingdom of God. Heaven is second best.

 

[Boris Norris]

What is your understanding of what evidence can show? Does it include in effect metaphysics and morality?

If you don't understand what evidence is there's probably no point going in further.

Morality, consciousness and free will etc evolved before any silly religion or god.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If you don't understand what evidence is there's probably no point going in further.

Morality, consciousness and free will etc evolved before any silly religion or god.

Well, I understand evidence. I just think you understand it differently. But since you claimed evidence first, it is on you to explain what evidence is.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Firstly, being a "medium" does not give you unique access to any ridiculous human spirit nor did it give you irrefutable evidence eternity exists. You arrogantly grant yourself a higher knowledge of these things with nothing support it. What do you know that no other garden variety godbotherer doesn't know?

Here's some advice. Don't worry about that because there's no evidence on earth anything after death exists. Not even a sliver of evidence a spirit exists. Be comfortable evolution gave you the opportunity to have this life without arrogantly believing you deserve another.

If you were given forgiveness, how could you possibly know it was forgiven? Did god send an email? My point is it is pure delusion that you had sin in the first place let alone forgiveness.

Death is something as natural as living and doesn't affect the lucky ones who experience it, although they don't know. Like stupidity, it only affects the people around you.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine, which entails giving your opinion all the consideration I think it deserves, which is none.

 

[Boris Norris]

Well, I understand evidence. I just think you understand it differently. But since you claimed evidence first, it is on you to explain what evidence is.

Waffle on until the sun rises in the west if you get swarm inner glow but there remains no evidence a god exists.
I don't care if you worship a malignant tumour but don't expect people to believe it will provide eternity etc.
It's simply outrageously stupid and an indictment on the human race.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Waffle on until the sun rises in the west if you get swarm inner glow but there remains no evidence a god exists.
I don't care if you worship a malignant tumour but don't expect people to believe it will provide eternity etc.
It's simply outrageously stupid and an indictment on the human race.

Evidence that it is simply outrageously stupid and an indictment on the human race. For once live up to your standard and give evidence for your claims.

 

[Boris Norris]

Evidence that it is simply outrageously stupid and an indictment on the human race. For once live up to your standard and give evidence for your claims.

I have debating your line many times and never fell into that trap.
You know I'm right so stop making a goose by asking.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Religion have nothing but delusions and hallucinations.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I have debating your line many times and never fell into that trap.
You know I'm right so stop making a goose by asking.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Religion have nothing but delusions and hallucinations.

I can't observe using empirical evidence that you are right, so it is as far as I can tell without evidence, so I dismiss the claim that you are right.
In other words for knowledge, I don't know that you are right. What is your empirical evidence for that?

 

[Quagmire]

If you are religious/believe in a god,, do you.....

- fear death?

No, although I'm hoping it's going to be quick.

If so why? Shouldn't death and going to heaven be the greatest thing that can happen?

Bear in mind not all theists believe in a traditional vision of 'heaven'.

There are a lot of other options.

-do you worry day to day about things?

Yes.

If yes why?

Because I'm human which means I have an imagination.

Having an imagination leaves you with three options: hope, fear, or being so completely in the present that there's no room for either.

Since I'm not centered or self-disciplined enough to maintain that last option for any length of time, I'm stuck with wavering between the first two.

Isn't a god in control of it all and its all part of his plan?

Maybe.

 

[Quagmire]

I have debating . . .

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

@Sgt. Pepper knows a hell of a lot more about the afterlife than many religious people know, especially Christians...
There is nothing arrogant about her possessing psychic mediumship abilities and she did not ask for them, but she helpos a lot of people by using them. It is anything but self-serving.

There is plenty of evidence of an afterlife, you just don't like the evidence.

As I just said in another thread (see it here), any skepticism or religious objections to what I believe and experience have no bearing whatsoever on the fact that I've lived with psychic mediumship for the past 43 years. And, as I've stated numerous times on this forum, other people can believe or reject what I say about my mediumship or my experiences as a psychic medium. It's entirely their decision, and I couldn't care less if they believe me or not.

 

[Vinayaka]

If you are religious/believe in a god,, do you.....

- fear death? If so why? Shouldn't death and going to heaven be the greatest thing that can happen?

-do you worry day to day about things? If yes why? Isn't a god in control of it all and its all part of his plan?

I think I don't fear death, but stating that can be mere words. Like a lot of things, one never knows until they're actually faced with it. As a Hindu, I don't believe in heaven, so that part is moot. Whatever happens happens, wait and see. I'm hoping I have enough beneficial karma to be reborn in some kind of kindly situation.

 

[robocop (actually)]

If you are religious/believe in a god,, do you.....

- fear death? If so why? Shouldn't death and going to heaven be the greatest thing that can happen?

-do you worry day to day about things? If yes why? Isn't a god in control of it all and its all part of his plan?

I don't fear death. I fear imperfection.

 

[soulsurvivor]

If you are religious/believe in a god,, do you.....

- fear death? If so why? Shouldn't death and going to heaven be the greatest thing that can happen?

-do you worry day to day about things? If yes why? Isn't a god in control of it all and its all part of his plan?

It is just the fear of the unknown - nobody knows exactly how life after death will be like. Also, we do want to live longer to see how things on Earth progress - with our friends and relatives as well as the world at large.

God is not in control of everything. Everyone has freewill - Putin can invade countries, dogs can bite you, people can rob you.