If you can't take the heat .... maybe climate change is real!

[Pogo]

It varies from year to year. I've lived in the southwest for more than 40 years. There may be degrees of difference, but the first 100°+ day is usually in May or June. One year it got to 100 in March. But we used to get more rain, too, so that's what's abnormal - more so than high temperatures. Also, when the hot weather is still going on in late October and November - that also seems abnormal.

But a hot day in June? Even if it's a little hotter than average, it's still par for the course for this time of year.

What can I say it was a slow news day, you were only 10 deg above normal, but the HP dome was on several weather sections about areas 20-25 even 30 deg above normal though I realized after these posts they were talking about the extreme bend in the jet stream that had it going from Mexico up to Canada and the largest excursions were I think in Montana. Being just inland from the west coast, San Francisco was having what is apparently called Junuary where this High Pressure dome is real cool and damp on the outside and the central valley is baking.

Anyhow, I have been enjoying dry 70s for the most part for a month which is real unusual for upstate NY, not to complain, thae house has been airing the whole time.

 

[tytlyf]

Climates always fluctuate and change.

That's the way it works.

Yes, that is the way it works. This process takes 10's of thousands of years.
What you're ignoring is why this cycle is speeding up much faster than normal.

 

[Stevicus]

What can I say it was a slow news day, you were only 10 deg above normal, but the HP dome was on several weather sections about areas 20-25 even 30 deg above normal though I realized after these posts they were talking about the extreme bend in the jet stream that had it going from Mexico up to Canada and the largest excursions were I think in Montana. Being just inland from the west coast, San Francisco was having what is apparently called Junuary where this High Pressure dome is real cool and damp on the outside and the central valley is baking.

Anyhow, I have been enjoying dry 70s for the most part for a month which is real unusual for upstate NY, not to complain, thae house has been airing the whole time.

I lived in upstate NY when I was kid, so I remember the humidity and the cold winters. I also had a ton of allergies, my nose ran like a faucet. At least in that respect, a hot, dry climate agrees with me.

Apart from the heat, the huge problem out west has been the long term drought and water deficit (which is also a consequence of climate change). I've heard that the snowpack in the Rockies was a bit better this year, but probably not enough to replenish Lake Mead or Lake Powell or the Colorado River.

 

[Pogo]

Yes, that is the way it works. This process takes 10's of thousands of years.
What you're ignoring is why this cycle is speeding up much faster than normal.

C02 has varied between about 180 ppm to 320 ppm or so in the last 800,000 years causing a swing in global temps of about 10 deg C, In the last 50 years we have gone from about 320 ppm corresponding to the max temp. to 425 ppm fortunately for us so far the oceans have been soaking up the heat that isn't absorbed by melting ice, sooner rather than later we will have to pay the piper and the excess heat will be obvious, it is already bleaching coral.

 

[Laniakea]

Trump supporters taken away on stretchers after waiting in 102-degree heat

The former president on Thursday made his first trip to Arizona since late 2022.

www.newsweek.com

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Nearly a dozen people on Thursday were treated for heat-related symptoms while waiting for Donald Trump's rally in Phoenix, Arizona, an event marking the former president's first visit to the battleground state since late 2022 and his return to the campaign trail after getting convicted of 34 felonies in New York City.

The town hall event, hosted by conservative group Turning Point USA, was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. MST at Dream City Church in north Phoenix. According to local reports, lines of Trump supporters began gathering outside the venue several hours beforehand. The Arizona Republic reported that temperatures soared to 96 degrees by 10 a.m. and that one woman collapsed while standing in line just minutes before the doors opened.

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I wonder when Republicans are going to start taking climate change seriously. Probably never as long as the oil companies keep giving them billions of dollars.

Local weather conditions is not the same as climate.

 

[We Never Know]

Well it's 110°F (43°C) up in Phoenix, so that's about normal for this time of year.

I was just fixing to post "well it is June so the temps will be around 100 or higher until around September"

 

[Laniakea]

How long do we have to wait for you to agree that there is a problem with global temperatures?

As long as it takes for you to provide proof of your claims.
We've been waiting decades already, and will probably have to wait until hell experiences global cooling.

 

[fantome profane]

Local weather conditions is not the same as climate.

True and good point. But it should also be noted that globally 2023 was the hottest year on record.

That is until they get all the data for 2024.

 

[Pogo]

Local weather conditions is not the same as climate.

We already know that, now can you tell us what happens to local weather conditions as the climate changes?

Let's see if you have been paying attention to the other half of the equation or only parroting the fossil fuel lobbies misinformation

 

[We Never Know]

How long do we have to wait for you to agree that there is a problem with global temperatures?

Life exploded when CO2 was much higher. During the Cambrian CO2 was around 10 times higher.

"The Cambrian Period, which lasted from about 541–484 million years ago, is known for a rapid period of evolution called the Cambrian Explosion. During this time, nearly every major animal group appeared in the fossil record for the first time, including many that are still alive today, such as chordates, which include vertebrates like humans. The Cambrian Explosion is considered a crucial event in the evolution of animals"

Information about the Cambrian Period

Learn about the Cambrian explosion and the rise of life on Earth.

www.nationalgeographic.com

Carbon dioxide were as high as 4,000 ppm during the Cambrian. Even higher during other periods.

A Graphical History of Atmospheric CO2 Levels Over Time | Earth.Org

As the most abundant greenhouse gas in our atmosphere, CO2 levels have varied widely over the course of the Earth’s 4.54 billion year history.

earth.org

 

[F1fan]

It's not just early heat waves, the whole year is expected to have more severe weather.

This year sees a new record for tornados, and in many places they are rare.

Maps: 2024 tornado season is ramping up to set records

The US is experiencing record tornado tallies with severe weather expected to continue this month

www.usatoday.com

And the Atlantic hurrican season is expected to be worse than normal.

NOAA predicts above-normal 2024 Atlantic hurricane season

La Nina and warmer-than-average ocean temperatures are major drivers of tropical activity

www.noaa.gov

Florida is preparing for more storms, and harder hits. They have already seen many insurance companies leave the state due to more and more hurricanes.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Life exploded when CO2 was much higher. During the Cambrian CO2 was around 10 times higher.

"The Cambrian Period, which lasted from about 541–484 million years ago, is known for a rapid period of evolution called the Cambrian Explosion. During this time, nearly every major animal group appeared in the fossil record for the first time, including many that are still alive today, such as chordates, which include vertebrates like humans. The Cambrian Explosion is considered a crucial event in the evolution of animals"

Information about the Cambrian Period

Learn about the Cambrian explosion and the rise of life on Earth.

www.nationalgeographic.com

Carbon dioxide were as high as 4,000 ppm during the Cambrian. Even higher during other periods.

A Graphical History of Atmospheric CO2 Levels Over Time | Earth.Org

As the most abundant greenhouse gas in our atmosphere, CO2 levels have varied widely over the course of the Earth’s 4.54 billion year history.

earth.org

Oh no. Now your going to interfere with their apocalyptic climate rambling with facts!

 

[We Never Know]

Oh no. Now your going to interfere with their apocalyptic climate rambling with facts!

IMO we have became a weak frail species dependant on technology and an easy life.
High CO2 will be bad for us. The earth and much of the other species will be fine.
We want to try to mitigate the changing climate for ourselfs, nothing else.

 

[Pogo]

Life exploded when CO2 was much higher. During the Cambrian CO2 was around 10 times higher.

"The Cambrian Period, which lasted from about 541–484 million years ago, is known for a rapid period of evolution called the Cambrian Explosion. During this time, nearly every major animal group appeared in the fossil record for the first time, including many that are still alive today, such as chordates, which include vertebrates like humans. The Cambrian Explosion is considered a crucial event in the evolution of animals"

Information about the Cambrian Period

Learn about the Cambrian explosion and the rise of life on Earth.

www.nationalgeographic.com

Carbon dioxide were as high as 4,000 ppm during the Cambrian. Even higher during other periods.

A Graphical History of Atmospheric CO2 Levels Over Time | Earth.Org

As the most abundant greenhouse gas in our atmosphere, CO2 levels have varied widely over the course of the Earth’s 4.54 billion year history.

earth.org

Yes we know this and it is nice but humans have never lived with levels of this magnitude and no land animals were alive then. In other words, it is not relevant to the question of what the rise in C02 levels is going to do for the climate that humans have existed in. No-one is saying it is going to wipe out life on earth but it will submerge the land that probably about half the population of earth lives on.

 

[Laniakea]

We already know that, now can you tell us what happens to local weather conditions as the climate changes?

Changes? In what way can it change?

 

[Laniakea]

Yes we know this and it is nice but humans have never lived with levels of this magnitude and no land animals were alive then. In other words, it is not relevant to the question of what the rise in C02 levels is going to do for the climate that humans have existed in. No-one is saying it is going to wipe out life on earth but it will submerge the land that probably about half the population of earth lives on.

Now there's the fearmongering I'm used to hearing, and have had to hear it since the 70s. Since then, global warming became climate change because the fearmongers had to face the fact that global warming turned out to be false. Now, no matter what the temperature does--whether it goes up or goes down--they can claim it's a bad thing.

 

[anotherneil]

It couldn't possibly be health issues or being used to staying inside an air conditioned building for those individuals - it must be that the sky is falling!

 

[Twilight Hue]

Now there's the fearmongering I'm used to hearing, and have had to hear it since the 70s. Since then, global warming became climate change because the fearmongers had to face the fact that global warming turned out to be false. Now, no matter what the temperature does--whether it goes up or goes down--they can claim it's a bad thing.

It first started with the ozone, then global cooling, then it changed again to global warming, now it changed to climate change.

Most certainly a very confused lot whom just cannot make up their minds.

 

[Subduction Zone]

C02 has varied between about 180 ppm to 320 ppm or so in the last 800,000 years causing a swing in global temps of about 10 deg C, In the last 50 years we have gone from about 320 ppm corresponding to the max temp. to 425 ppm fortunately for us so far the oceans have been soaking up the heat that isn't absorbed by melting ice, sooner rather than later we will have to pay the piper and the excess heat will be obvious, it is already bleaching coral.

And scientists know what causes those changes and how they have change the climate in the past. As you pointed out we are now at 425 ppm higher than it has been for millions of years. We are in for a very bumpy ride.

Do you understand that CO2 keeps heat in? In fact with zero CO2 this planet would be an ice box. It was already "summer" here would you put extra blankets on the bed in summer time??? We have had a year straight of each month being the hottest for that particular month in recorded history. There is no doubting that the warming is very very real. We do have cycles of roughly 20 year or so warming and cooling so we are apt to get a little cooler for a while, of course the next series of peaks will be even higher. . Maybe by then our eyes will have been opened.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Like I said in the past. When people actually see the fire for themselves in their own back yard.

Is ash good enough?