If You Like Your Insurance Plan You Can Keep It...Not

[esmith]

Well it seems that Obama has mislead the public again. Remember when he said From Promise " “First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you.” Well it seems appears that 300,000 people in Florida on Florida Blue and 160,000 people in California with Kaiser Permanente will lose their insurance.
300,000 to Lose Health Coverage in Florida, 279,000 in California

 

[Revoltingest]

So now you're Mutley. (Recognized him instantly.)
Anyway, when I pointed out that friends were losing their plans, they said this is no evidence because it was anecdotal.
I'm sure there will be some other defect with your claim too. Obamacare is proceeding without a hitch....er, glitch.

 

[Awoon]

Well it seems that Obama has mislead the public again. Remember when he said From [/url=http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/07/president-obama-continues-questionable-you-can-keep-your-health-care-promise/]Promise[/url] " “First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you.” Well it seems appears that 300,000 people in Florida on Florida Blue and 160,000 people in California with Kaiser Permanente will lose their insurance.
300,000 to Lose Health Coverage in Florida, 279,000 in California

Pretty dumb for the insurance companies turning away from all that income. They'll have to mortgage their private jets to buy seats at the Super Bowl.

 

[Riverwolf]

Welcome to my world.

 

[Poeticus]

Welcome to my world.

You had to change/lost your insurance?

 

[Riverwolf]

You had to change/lost your insurance?

Well, I'm no longer on my mom's plan, and thus currently have no insurance, but that's not really what I meant.

I was getting at "If you like [this thing you have], you can keep it... not." It's something that I've had to fight with throughout my life.

 

[Poeticus]

Well, I'm no longer on my mom's plan, and thus currently have no insurance, but that's not really what I meant.

I was getting at "If you like [this thing you have], you can keep it... not." It's something that I've had to fight with throughout my life.

Yeah, that's true. Nothing stays forever. I feel you, brother. But, it's good to be a fighter.

 

[McBell]

Well it seems that Obama has mislead the public again. Remember when he said From Promise " “First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you.” Well it seems appears that 300,000 people in Florida on Florida Blue and 160,000 people in California with Kaiser Permanente will lose their insurance.
300,000 to Lose Health Coverage in Florida, 279,000 in California

So much bull ****, so little substance.

I find it rather sad that for all your energy and enthusiasm for bad mouthing the ACA you still have not presented a single thing that you can support actually using the ACA.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Well it seems that Obama has mislead the public again. Remember when he said From Promise " “First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you.” Well it seems appears that 300,000 people in Florida on Florida Blue and 160,000 people in California with Kaiser Permanente will lose their insurance.
300,000 to Lose Health Coverage in Florida, 279,000 in California

From your link.....

The report said new policies being offered to the cancelled customers offer better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify.

Obamacare requires policies sold in the individual market to cover 10 "essential" benefits, such as prescription drugs, mental health treatment and maternity care.

In addition, insurers can't reject people with medical problems or charge them higher prices. The policies must also cap consumers' annual expenses at levels lower than many plans sold before the new rules.

Some people receiving cancellations say it looks like their costs will go up, despite studies projecting that about half of all enrollees will get income-based subsidies, Kaiser Health News reported.

For example, Kris Malean, 56, who lives outside Seattle, has a health policy that costs $390 a month with a $2,500 deductible and $10,000 in potential out-of-pocket costs for such things as doctor visits, drug costs or hospital care.

As a replacement, Regence Blue Shield is offering her a plan for $79 more a month with a deductible twice as large as what she pays now, but which limits her potential out-of-pocket costs to $6,250 a year, including the deductible.

And here's another reason why many of the policies had to be dropped....

Thousands get health insurance cancellation notices - NBC News.com

Some policies targeted
Both Independence and Highmark are canceling so-called “guaranteed issue” policies, which had been sold to customers who had pre-existing medical conditions when they signed up.

Since the policy has this provision in it, it doesn't meet the ACA requirement.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Well, I'm no longer on my mom's plan, and thus currently have no insurance, but that's not really what I meant.

I was getting at "If you like [this thing you have], you can keep it... not." It's something that I've had to fight with throughout my life.

My situation is different. My plan meets the ACA requirements so I get to keep my plan...

 

[esmith]

From your link.....



And here's another reason why many of the policies had to be dropped....

Thousands get health insurance cancellation notices - NBC News.com
Since the policy has this provision in it, it doesn't meet the ACA requirement.

What you do not seem to understand is the substance of the subject line.
Did not Obama either downright lie or just pull the wool over the consumers eyes? I would say yes to both.
What if they, the ones that got their policies cancelled, didn't want what the ACA requires? Does this bother you? If not why?

 

[s2a]

Well it seems that Obama has mislead the public again. Remember when he said From Promise " “First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you.” Well it seems appears that 300,000 people in Florida on Florida Blue and 160,000 people in California with Kaiser Permanente will lose their insurance.
300,000 to Lose Health Coverage in Florida, 279,000 in California

I will note the operative word in your presentation...

..."seems"...

It seems that aliens from another world are now in control of all media outlets including Drudge Report, NewsMax, and Fox... reports of seemingly factual facts soon to follow...seemingly...really soon...maybe...or it would seem so...

 

[dust1n]

So people have to shop for a different plan. If they don't want higher requirements on their healthcare, too bad. I personally am not fond of smog checks on my car every year, but then again, not everything in the entire state is about me.

 

[tytlyf]

They can keep their current plan in most cases, but the insurance companies are price gouging their existing customers to make their current plans compliant (including more goodies).
If you think Obama went out and intentionally lied and misled the public concerning their doctors/plans, then you're off your rocker.
2014 can't come soon enough.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

What you do not seem to understand is the substance of the subject line.

I understood it quite well...but there's more to a story than it's "subject line"....You actually have to read the article for context...You should try it once in a while...

Did not Obama either downright lie or just pull the wool over the consumers eyes?

No. As I've said....my plan meets the ACA requirements so I don't have to make any changes nor will mine be cancelled.

I would say yes to both.

And you would be wrong as I've indicated.

What if they, the ones that got their policies cancelled, didn't want what the ACA requires?

It's the law so what's your point? I can't imagine that someone would prefer a policy with language in it that would contain lifetime caps, high premiums and high deductibles as well as language barring coverage if you had a pre-existing condition. If my coverage had those caveats I would welcome it to be cancelled or I would cancel it and opt for a plan that met the ACA requirements that strikes out all of this stuff.

Does this bother you? If not why?

No. See above.....

 

[esmith]

No. As I've said....my plan meets the ACA requirements so I don't have to make any changes nor will mine be cancelled.

Oh, I see. It's just about you.

It's the law so what's your point? I can't imagine that someone would prefer a policy with language in it that would contain lifetime caps, high premiums and high deductibles as well as language barring coverage if you had a pre-existing condition. If my coverage had those caveats I would welcome it to be cancelled or I would cancel it and opt for a plan that met the ACA requirements that strikes out all of this stuff.

Ah, there you go again, generalizing without facts. How do you know that those that had their plans canceled because they didn't meet ACA requirements had lifetime caps, high premiums, and high deductibles? They had insurance so obviously they didn't have pre-existing conditions. How do you know that they were not perfectly happy with their old insurance policy. Could it be that their plan was what they wanted.

 

[Riverwolf]

Oh, I see. It's just about you.

Well, your target audience from your thread title was "you".

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Oh, I see. It's just about you.

Heck no....my personal situation reflects others as well. Shucks....I'm active in my school district and I interact with a few other school districts around me and no one is getting their insurance policies canceled. Again, read your own linked article. The reason for the cancellations is because they don't meet the ACA standards. There's nothing stopping that person from getting a new policy with the same insurance company. And as your article indicated...a new policy designed similarly to what they had will most likely be cheaper overall do to pooling....

Ah, there you go again, generalizing without facts.

What generalization...?

How do you know that those that had their plans canceled because they didn't meet ACA requirements had lifetime caps, high premiums, and high deductibles?

From your link it says.....

300,000 to Lose Health Coverage in Florida, 279,000 in California

"We continue to cover people with all types of health conditions," Highmark spokeswoman Kristin Ash said.

She said some policyholders who may have faced limited coverage for their medical conditions will get new plans with "richer benefits," and the policies "in most cases will be at a lower rate."

They had insurance so obviously they didn't have pre-existing conditions.

There were plans that had some level of coverage and there was various legislation before the ACA that dealt with this.....but I believe this was on policies held by state or federal employees. I can't say for sure if individual private plans ever had any coverage. I'll have to research that....

RCW 48.43.015: Health benefit plans

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/newsroom/fshipaa.html

How do you know that they were not perfectly happy with their old insurance policy.

I never said they weren't....and you haven't presented any evidence that they were...

 

[esmith]

300,000 to Lose Health Coverage in Florida, 279,000 in California



There were plans that had some level of coverage and there was various legislation before the ACA that dealt with this.....but I believe this was on policies held by state or federal employees. I can't say for sure if individual private plans ever had any coverage. I'll have to research that....

RCW 48.43.015: Health benefit plans

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/newsroom/fshipaa.html


I never said they weren't....and you haven't presented any evidence that they were...

CBS Video: ObamaCare Takes Away Woman's Health Care Choices - Fox Nation

 

[Revoltingest]

CBS Video: ObamaCare Takes Away Woman's Health Care Choices - Fox Nation

At least now they're tacitly admitting that Obama told a falsehood when he made his claim about being able to keep a plan you like. They've moved on to apologetics, justifying it or claiming it doesn't matter.
Note: Tis not for me to say whether he was dishonest or ignorant. The significant thing is that reality is different from what he claimed.