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If You Thought Quantum Mechanics Was Weird, Check Out Entangled Time

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Getting entangled in entanglement is for physics nerds and geeks. For those that don't go there, it's just more evidence that our senses lie. And a big point in this piece is that this whole area can and should influence metaphysics.

If You Thought Quantum Mechanics Was Weird, Check Out Entangled Time

The assumption is that the 'nonlocal' part of quantum nonlocality refers to the entanglement of properties across space. But what if entanglement also occurs across time? Is there such a thing as temporal nonlocality?

The answer, as it turns out, is yes.

Just when you thought quantum mechanics couldn't get any weirder, a team of physicists at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem reported in 2013 that they had successfully entangled photons that never coexisted.

Previous experiments involving a technique called 'entanglement swapping' had already showed quantum correlations across time, by delaying the measurement of one of the coexisting entangled particles; but Eli Megidish and his collaborators were the first to show entanglement between photons whose lifespans did not overlap at all.
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What on Earth can this mean? Prima facie, it seems as troubling as saying that the polarity of starlight in the far-distant past – say, greater than twice Earth's lifetime – nevertheless influenced the polarity of starlight falling through your amateur telescope this winter.

Even more bizarrely: maybe it implies that the measurements carried out by your eye upon starlight falling through your telescope this winter somehow dictated the polarity of photons more than 9 billion years old.
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Einstein showed that no sequence of events can be metaphysically privileged – can be considered more real – than any other. Only by accepting this insight can one make headway on such quantum puzzles.'
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Discerning the nature of entanglement might at times be an uncomfortable project. It's not clear what substantive metaphysics might emerge from scrutiny of fascinating new research by the likes of Megidish and other physicists.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

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I remember when I didn't used to fall over. That was nice.

Yep. My blood circulation is such that, if I stand up, or get up, I must have a grab nearby-- just enough to push my balance back to center.

Years ago, I read that a test of your balance was to put on your trousers while standing up, one leg at a time. I did this for decades, just as a kind of personal test.

Lately? Not so much... gotta keep one hand ready to grab something anytime I try that-- and putting pants on one-handed is ... not as easy as it was, either.

At least I'm still breathing. Right? :)
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Getting entangled in entanglement is for physics nerds and geeks. For those that don't go there, it's just more evidence that our senses lie. And a big point in this piece is that this whole area can and should influence metaphysics.

If You Thought Quantum Mechanics Was Weird, Check Out Entangled Time

The assumption is that the 'nonlocal' part of quantum nonlocality refers to the entanglement of properties across space. But what if entanglement also occurs across time? Is there such a thing as temporal nonlocality?

The answer, as it turns out, is yes.

Just when you thought quantum mechanics couldn't get any weirder, a team of physicists at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem reported in 2013 that they had successfully entangled photons that never coexisted.

Previous experiments involving a technique called 'entanglement swapping' had already showed quantum correlations across time, by delaying the measurement of one of the coexisting entangled particles; but Eli Megidish and his collaborators were the first to show entanglement between photons whose lifespans did not overlap at all.
...
What on Earth can this mean? Prima facie, it seems as troubling as saying that the polarity of starlight in the far-distant past – say, greater than twice Earth's lifetime – nevertheless influenced the polarity of starlight falling through your amateur telescope this winter.

Even more bizarrely: maybe it implies that the measurements carried out by your eye upon starlight falling through your telescope this winter somehow dictated the polarity of photons more than 9 billion years old.
...
Einstein showed that no sequence of events can be metaphysically privileged – can be considered more real – than any other. Only by accepting this insight can one make headway on such quantum puzzles.'
...
Discerning the nature of entanglement might at times be an uncomfortable project. It's not clear what substantive metaphysics might emerge from scrutiny of fascinating new research by the likes of Megidish and other physicists.

I seem to remember reading about this some time back. Hopefully Polymath will chime in, as he has far more expertise than most, on the subject.

I also seem to remember reading about quantum events, where the "cause" happens after the "event" in question, a kind of causal reversal.

As the famous physicist, (Feinman?) quipped: "If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't."
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Somehow, I'm not surprised. I've been thinking about time not being as static and single-forward as we tend to believe. Great news!
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Getting entangled in entanglement is for physics nerds and geeks. For those that don't go there, it's just more evidence that our senses lie. And a big point in this piece is that this whole area can and should influence metaphysics.

If You Thought Quantum Mechanics Was Weird, Check Out Entangled Time

The assumption is that the 'nonlocal' part of quantum nonlocality refers to the entanglement of properties across space. But what if entanglement also occurs across time? Is there such a thing as temporal nonlocality?

The answer, as it turns out, is yes.

Just when you thought quantum mechanics couldn't get any weirder, a team of physicists at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem reported in 2013 that they had successfully entangled photons that never coexisted.

Previous experiments involving a technique called 'entanglement swapping' had already showed quantum correlations across time, by delaying the measurement of one of the coexisting entangled particles; but Eli Megidish and his collaborators were the first to show entanglement between photons whose lifespans did not overlap at all.
...
What on Earth can this mean? Prima facie, it seems as troubling as saying that the polarity of starlight in the far-distant past – say, greater than twice Earth's lifetime – nevertheless influenced the polarity of starlight falling through your amateur telescope this winter.

Even more bizarrely: maybe it implies that the measurements carried out by your eye upon starlight falling through your telescope this winter somehow dictated the polarity of photons more than 9 billion years old.
...
Einstein showed that no sequence of events can be metaphysically privileged – can be considered more real – than any other. Only by accepting this insight can one make headway on such quantum puzzles.'
...
Discerning the nature of entanglement might at times be an uncomfortable project. It's not clear what substantive metaphysics might emerge from scrutiny of fascinating new research by the likes of Megidish and other physicists.

I find a good hair conditioner does the trick.

Really, entanglement seems to me to be a phenomenon beyond the average mind. However i look forward to gigabyte petabyte or exabyte computer memories and literally instant internet/communication
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Announcement for members of the Time Entanglement Club: "Meeting will commence at noon yesterday."
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
I'm there now.
And no one else is there? They've must have missed the note. It was posted tomorrow after all. I'll be there in a negative second, but don't wait, because you've already done that.

We have a guest speak as well. You can never guess Who. But he might be a bit early since he missed the train in Neverwhere. Time Entanglement can be a bit wibbly-wobbly.
 
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Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
And no one else is there? They've must have missed the note. It was posted tomorrow after all. I'll be there in a negative second, but don't wait, because you've already done that.

We have a guest speak as well. You can never guess Who. But he might be a bit early since he missed the train in Neverwhere. Time Entanglement can be a bit wibbly-wobbly.

He forgot to wind his Timey-Wimey.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
He forgot to wind his Timey-Wimey.

I first heard that comment on Doctor Who several years ago,. I dont dont i heard it since then until tonight when its been twice in less than an hour. The 2nd X-men was showing on TV, as it ended the announcer said "there will be more timey-wimey stuff tomorrow with men in black 3". And then you mention it. Weird or what?
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
I first heard that comment on Doctor Who several years ago,. I dont dont i heard it since then until tonight when its been twice in less than an hour. The 2nd X-men was showing on TV, as it ended the announcer said "there will be more timey-wimey stuff tomorrow with men in black 3". And then you mention it. Weird or what?
Synchronicity... woo-woo :ghost:
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Sorry I can't come this week, I'm a little caught up with....um....
Well, if you miss it, you can always go to Heisenberg's lecture, but if you find the lecture hall, we don't know when it starts, and if you figure out when it starts, we lose the hall... that's bureaucracy for ya'.
 
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