Jimmy
Veteran Member
How?
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
If you were Messiah…
- Thread starter an anarchist
- Start date
an anarchist
Your local anarchist.
Love is love is love.
Jimmy
Veteran Member
So proclaiming love will save the world?
I've read his other work. Jonathan Livingstone Seagull.
Why do I want suffering to end? That doesn't seem very beneficial to the order of things.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Jedster
Well-Known Member
Me too. Illusions was published 5 years later in1977.
I really enjoyed both of them.
marriedmanoffaith
Member
Hypothetical: you are a Messiah.
You are the key to ending the suffering of mankind. The price? The comforts of life and eventually your life itself. A life of suffering and estrangement is your lot if you are Messiah.
Ah, but you have free will! Even in this hypothetical. The question is: do you accept your role as Messiah? Or do you reject your role and prolong an enjoyable life filled with love and comforts?
Would you do it? Would you be Messiah if you were Messiah?
I don’t ask this question randomly. With my diagnoses, I am told my belief in myself being the Messiah may be the result of suspected brain damage. It is/was a choice I had to make, and I choose to reject being Messiah. The stress ain’t worth it to me. If I have to choose between myself and the world, I will choose myself.
What about you?
@King Phenomenon I am interested in your input (as well as everyone else’s) but yours in particular because I saw a comment of yours on your personal revelation thread that inspired me to make this thread.
Your struggle touches my heart deeply. The weight you carry is immense, and I commend your courage in confronting these powerful questions of identity and purpose. I've come to understand that our perceptions of reality can be greatly influenced by our experiences and neurological conditions. Your openness about your diagnosis shows great self-awareness.
The desire to alleviate the world's suffering is noble, but we must remember that true healing begins within ourselves. Christ taught us to love our neighbors as ourselves - not instead of ourselves. Your decision to prioritize your own well-being is not selfish, but a necessary step towards wholeness.
Each of us has a unique calling. While we may not be the Messiah, we can still bring light to the world through small acts of kindness and compassion. Your journey of self-discovery and healing can inspire others facing similar struggles.
I encourage you to continue seeking professional help and spiritual guidance. May you find peace in knowing that you are loved and valued, not for any grand role you might play, but simply for being the beautiful, complex individual that you are.
Peace to all,
Great info, thanks to all.
To me in logic and faith, The Messiah is Jesus in the Will of the Father, the Word that becomes flesh and is The Christ. "Who knows me knows the Father and the Father knows the Son."
To me the Logic of the Messiah is We all become son's, brothers and sisters of God, brothers and sisters of The Christ from the cross as Disciples, Baptized as sanctified from spirit through the flesh for the soul of our own Christ in us, all mankind, becoming immortal and incorruptible from created mortality of the flesh with the failed corruptible spirits of Adam and Eve. Through the wondrous mysteries of the Faith, in Sacrifice and in Confession for the remission of sins and hearing the words of Absolution, forgiven and in Penance and Communion with Him we become again re-Sanctified and united into the image of the Creator God as one in being together with The Father and The Son glorified and transfigured.
Naturally, logically the problem of the knowledge of the tree of good and evil is from choice. Logically, choice created the greatest gift, Love and through His Passion, eternal Love is fulfilled in faith and morality delivered from The Power of The Holy Spirit Person in The person of Jesus as The Christ, becoming the image of the Person of God for The Father. Knowledge is manifested and in the pattern of the selected intelligence will. The intelligence balances out to pass/ fail. To me choice remains manifested upon image transfiguration becoming one of two stable states, in logic. If there ever were a story called "The Parable of The Green Light" it may go like this. Do we stop at the red light or proceed through on the red light of wait to proceed through when the light turns green? To me choice is in the logic, the pattern that manifests outcome, the mind, the will of the selected intelligence, the Choice. We know the "RI" real intelligence of Creation will always say, "Stop on Red." To me in logic, The "RI" or real intelligence of today is, "What would Jesus do in all cases of fulfilled faith and morality." In faith we know not running the light could save all from perhaps a collision. This could be considered a more abundant life on earth for driving conditions. Even with no one around looking, no police and no traffic, remaining stopped and proceeding on green through the light is the right thing to do. The "failed" spirit or first spirit gives us choice. Yes, we can run the light for any choice, to save time, no one looking, perhaps the soul is tired and waiting. To me in logic, the first soul is riddled with internal temptation and a defiled spirit is from the first spirit that can come from and blows to anywhere the spirit choice manifests through selection, or choice. Through the wrong choice, running the light could fail either the car and/ or the driver or anyone nearby. To me in logic, the failed spirit is the "AI" artificial intelligence allowing choice through internal temptations of a defiled spirit to be able to select a failed state such as "Running a Red Light." Through the fulfilled faith and morality the mind of God is delivered through the spirit from God, logically is in the fulfilled Holy Spirit manifestation of the Will of God, for the Father to become the manifestation power through the flesh for the souls for all mankind. For the choice of the Red Light, we know to stop, wait till the light is green and proceed forward.
To me in logic, Jesus is conceived in the Will of The Father through the Person of The Holy Spirit in the person of Jesus and is born The Christ immortal and incorruptible through the Virgin Birth from the Immaculate Conception.
To me in logic and through faith we are created souls mortal and corrupt in the flesh and spirits through the Bodies of Adam and Eve. We become Sanctified from the spirit through the flesh for the soul of the being as Baptized incorruptible and immortal and sanctified in the New Eve, The Church of the Body of Christ in all mankind. Through the Church of the Body of Christ as shared for all mankind, we are Confirmed in the re-Sanctified Will of God through the words of Absolution in Confession, forgiven in Penance and in Sacrifice for the remission of sins and in Communion with Him becoming again glorified and transfigured into the image of the Creator God for The Father.
Mary said in 0AD (Anno Domini, Latin for "The Beginning of Church Time,") "Let it not be my will but Your Will be done." And The Word becomes flesh, in The Christ perhaps 9 months later and again in 0AD (The Beginning of Church Time) on earth as The Christ in all mankind becoming again glorified and transfigured (33AD) by The Power of the Holy Spirit Will of the Creator God for The Father. In logic and faith it is the day the mind of God becomes to earth from the Holy Spirit Person through Jesus becoming The Christ for all mankind. To me in logic, the "RI," the real intelligence of Creation is delivered in the mind of God in the flesh through the Person of Jesus in the Will of the Father through the person of The Holy Spirit being becoming the "First" Christ on earth. The "First" Christ is Jesus in the mind of God delivered for all mankind manifesting through His flesh, and now our flesh as brothers and sisters of immortal and incorruptible flesh and spirit from the cross, where the blood and water flowed from the spear of Longinus to the side, the Rib of the New Adam, The Christ, the gates are reopened, reborn for all, for the New Birth of The Christ back to Heaven for all mankind and when Jesus says, "Ecce Mater tua, Disciple Behold your Mother." Reborn and saved for all for the souls of all Bodies becoming The Christ on earth. The Word becomes flesh is the Holy Spirit Person in the person of Jesus becoming "The Christ" in all mankind for all to become again glorified and transfigured into the image of the Creator God, for The Father as One in Being from all of the wondrous mysteries of The Faith through the Power of The Holy Spirit.
We know in logic and faith to keep open the doors to The Body of Christ in The New Creation, through the fulfillment of the failed love of Adam and Eve becoming glorified and transfigured through The Church of God in the image of the Creator God, from the Power of the Holy Spirit Person in the Person of the immortal and incorruptible Jesus as The Christ in being becoming again glorified and transfigured through His Passion, eternal fulfilled Love into the image of The Creator God together in union with The Father and The Son as one in being shared in the Will of Creation with all mankind.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
Great info, thanks to all.
To me in logic and faith, The Messiah is Jesus in the Will of the Father, the Word that becomes flesh and is The Christ. "Who knows me knows the Father and the Father knows the Son."
To me the Logic of the Messiah is We all become son's, brothers and sisters of God, brothers and sisters of The Christ from the cross as Disciples, Baptized as sanctified from spirit through the flesh for the soul of our own Christ in us, all mankind, becoming immortal and incorruptible from created mortality of the flesh with the failed corruptible spirits of Adam and Eve. Through the wondrous mysteries of the Faith, in Sacrifice and in Confession for the remission of sins and hearing the words of Absolution, forgiven and in Penance and Communion with Him we become again re-Sanctified and united into the image of the Creator God as one in being together with The Father and The Son glorified and transfigured.
Naturally, logically the problem of the knowledge of the tree of good and evil is from choice. Logically, choice created the greatest gift, Love and through His Passion, eternal Love is fulfilled in faith and morality delivered from The Power of The Holy Spirit Person in The person of Jesus as The Christ, becoming the image of the Person of God for The Father. Knowledge is manifested and in the pattern of the selected intelligence will. The intelligence balances out to pass/ fail. To me choice remains manifested upon image transfiguration becoming one of two stable states, in logic. If there ever were a story called "The Parable of The Green Light" it may go like this. Do we stop at the red light or proceed through on the red light of wait to proceed through when the light turns green? To me choice is in the logic, the pattern that manifests outcome, the mind, the will of the selected intelligence, the Choice. We know the "RI" real intelligence of Creation will always say, "Stop on Red." To me in logic, The "RI" or real intelligence of today is, "What would Jesus do in all cases of fulfilled faith and morality." In faith we know not running the light could save all from perhaps a collision. This could be considered a more abundant life on earth for driving conditions. Even with no one around looking, no police and no traffic, remaining stopped and proceeding on green through the light is the right thing to do. The "failed" spirit or first spirit gives us choice. Yes, we can run the light for any choice, to save time, no one looking, perhaps the soul is tired and waiting. To me in logic, the first soul is riddled with internal temptation and a defiled spirit is from the first spirit that can come from and blows to anywhere the spirit choice manifests through selection, or choice. Through the wrong choice, running the light could fail either the car and/ or the driver or anyone nearby. To me in logic, the failed spirit is the "AI" artificial intelligence allowing choice through internal temptations of a defiled spirit to be able to select a failed state such as "Running a Red Light." Through the fulfilled faith and morality the mind of God is delivered through the spirit from God, logically is in the fulfilled Holy Spirit manifestation of the Will of God, for the Father to become the manifestation power through the flesh for the souls for all mankind. For the choice of the Red Light, we know to stop, wait till the light is green and proceed forward.
To me in logic, Jesus is conceived in the Will of The Father through the Person of The Holy Spirit in the person of Jesus and is born The Christ immortal and incorruptible through the Virgin Birth from the Immaculate Conception.
To me in logic and through faith we are created souls mortal and corrupt in the flesh and spirits through the Bodies of Adam and Eve. We become Sanctified from the spirit through the flesh for the soul of the being as Baptized incorruptible and immortal and sanctified in the New Eve, The Church of the Body of Christ in all mankind. Through the Church of the Body of Christ as shared for all mankind, we are Confirmed in the re-Sanctified Will of God through the words of Absolution in Confession, forgiven in Penance and in Sacrifice for the remission of sins and in Communion with Him becoming again glorified and transfigured into the image of the Creator God for The Father.
Mary said in 0AD (Anno Domini, Latin for "The Beginning of Church Time,") "Let it not be my will but Your Will be done." And The Word becomes flesh, in The Christ perhaps 9 months later and again in 0AD (The Beginning of Church Time) on earth as The Christ in all mankind becoming again glorified and transfigured (33AD) by The Power of the Holy Spirit Will of the Creator God for The Father. In logic and faith it is the day the mind of God becomes to earth from the Holy Spirit Person through Jesus becoming The Christ for all mankind. To me in logic, the "RI," the real intelligence of Creation is delivered in the mind of God in the flesh through the Person of Jesus in the Will of the Father through the person of The Holy Spirit being becoming the "First" Christ on earth. The "First" Christ is Jesus in the mind of God delivered for all mankind manifesting through His flesh, and now our flesh as brothers and sisters of immortal and incorruptible flesh and spirit from the cross, where the blood and water flowed from the spear of Longinus to the side, the Rib of the New Adam, The Christ, the gates are reopened, reborn for all, for the New Birth of The Christ back to Heaven for all mankind and when Jesus says, "Ecce Mater tua, Disciple Behold your Mother." Reborn and saved for all for the souls of all Bodies becoming The Christ on earth. The Word becomes flesh is the Holy Spirit Person in the person of Jesus becoming "The Christ" in all mankind for all to become again glorified and transfigured into the image of the Creator God, for The Father as One in Being from all of the wondrous mysteries of The Faith through the Power of The Holy Spirit.
We know in logic and faith to keep open the doors to The Body of Christ in The New Creation, through the fulfillment of the failed love of Adam and Eve becoming glorified and transfigured through The Church of God in the image of the Creator God, from the Power of the Holy Spirit Person in the Person of the immortal and incorruptible Jesus as The Christ in being becoming again glorified and transfigured through His Passion, eternal fulfilled Love into the image of The Creator God together in union with The Father and The Son as one in being shared in the Will of Creation with all mankind.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
Last edited: