if your girlfriend/wife contacts her ex-boyfriends, and inverse

[Kirran]

ah thanks for help about **** , i meant prostitute

Well '****' is a derogatory term for a promiscuous woman. Not for a prostitute.

this is trip question :

so whom working in strip club or prostitute are not human being , and they had no respectability and don't have self control ?

I don't know why you think I said they weren't human beings.

Respectability is rather a matter of opinion.

As for self control, yes, I imagine they do.

Although, contrary to your conceptions, the women who go off and work in strip clubs or as prostitutes aren't doing it because they've had 'too much freedom', they're usually doing it because they are under coercion and don't have a lot of choice. Most prostitutes are basically held captive by pimps and forced to work. Strippers get pretty abused, and are doing it because they're in difficult situations and need the money. These controllers are almost universally men.

as suppose question :

if your mother insist to work such in strip club , would your father agree with that ?

Well he wouldn't be too happy about it. He'd probably try and dissuade her. But there's no way he could stop her doing so if she insisted.

The idea of my mother, the all-out feminist, becoming a stripper is admittedly a little odd.

I mean by experience , is his own convictions , so if someone being not cheated , that not mean there is no cheating people ...etc


i mean by "main factor" ; top factor ,

Godobeyer, your English is generally pretty understandable, you usually get your message across. But here I still have no idea what you are trying to communicate to me.

 

[Godobeyer]

Firstly I apologise for saying it's illegal. I inevitably speak from a western perspective.
From my point of view adultery is not illegal. Taboo yes, but not to the point of police interference (short of domestic violence or divorce proceedings obviously.)

I have never denied that people can be influenced by the media they interact with. Merely suggested that such an influence is not the only thing occurring is all.
I have outlined why I think that there's far more to the argument of the whole "media influences us to do insert action here." We are all individuals, we all make our own decisions and we and only we are accountable for our own actions at the end of the day. No one says or forces us to emulate what media "tells us to do."
I have merely said that I consider the supposed influence to be overblown and that there are other factors that may be involved. Like perhaps a self fulfilling prophecy or the fact that such "influences" have ALWAYS existed.
To my point of view you have not provided a single shred of evidence of what this influence actually is and to what extent it actively exists as. Now I'm on my phone until my computer is back up and running properly, as such I am somewhat limited in these posts, may I ask what your excuse is?
Do you understand? I am directly challenging the amount of influence you assert the media has on people.

No problem we all made mistakes sometimes

i am glade that you understand my point there is influence of media on us , so we maybe it's individual effect , i mean each had his own percentage of , maybe 10% , 30% maybe top to 100%

i believe that huge number of humanity especialy in West and Arab world, are influenced by media ..

they may had the ability of influencing by , more than others .

 

[Kirran]

No problem we all made mistakes sometimes

i am glade that you understand my point there is influence of media on us , so we maybe it's individual effect , i mean each had his own percentage of , maybe 10% , 30% maybe top to 100%

i believe that huge number of humanity especialy in West and Arab world, are influenced by media ..

they may had the ability of influencing by , more than others .

If there's a lot of violence on the media, can we say that it is the media's fault when someone kills someone?

If so, surely the offender shouldn't be punished? Not their fault, after all.

I don't think this makes sense, personally. No matter how you are influenced, your actions are your own.

 

[Godobeyer]

If there's a lot of violence on the media, can we say that it is the media's fault when someone kills someone?

indeed if that person imitate a story in media or being influenced by media.

most of whom goes to Syria now , they are influenced by media of terrorists .

that's why you may find that ISIS media is tracking by security .

does the people influenced by publication in TV ? like Pepsi , cigarettes, Cars ..... ?

If so, surely the offender shouldn't be punished? Not their fault, after all.

i don't know what you mention to "offender" , do you mean who media ?

i am not lawer nor working in justice to make judgement , but if it's was on me that's depend the message .

I don't think this makes sense, personally. No matter how you are influenced, your actions are your own.

of course everyone is responsible of his actions .

i remember the debate of gun control in USA , some they blame the goverment for allow it , in every crime happened .

 

[Godobeyer]

Although, contrary to your conceptions, the women who go off and work in strip clubs or as prostitutes aren't doing it because they've had 'too much freedom', they're usually doing it because they are under coercion and don't have a lot of choice. Most prostitutes are basically held captive by pimps and forced to work. Strippers get pretty abused, and are doing it because they're in difficult situations and need the money. These controllers are almost universally men.

There is no reason for a woman to sold her honor to eat or live ., she could ask for help , the people will help her i believe their are many generous people

I saw Syrian refugees women , most of them mendicant , we always


i believe prostitute and strip club and many sex programes is trade and business.

Well he wouldn't be too happy about it. He'd probably try and dissuade her. But there's no way he could stop her doing so if she insisted.

The idea of my mother, the all-out feminist, becoming a stripper is admittedly a little odd.

i know try to stop her , is different than by force

so i guess if she insisting , he will divorce her ?

I believe if it's about my father decision, he will definitly divorce her .

Godobeyer, your English is generally pretty understandable, you usually get your message across. But here I still have no idea what you are trying to communicate to me.

no problem

 

[Kirran]

indeed if that person imitate a story in media or being influenced by media.

most of whom goes to Syria now , they are influenced by media of terrorists .

that's why you may find that ISIS media is tracking by security .

does the people influenced by publication in TV ? like Pepsi , cigarettes, Cars ..... ?

Influenced, yes.

But the media doesn't have responsibility ultimately, although it can certainly be destructive. But absolute responsibility rests on the individual.

i don't know what you mention to "offender" , do you mean who media ?

Offender is the term for the person who has committed a crime.

of course everyone is responsible of his actions .

i remember the debate of gun control in USA , some they blame the goverment for allow it , in every crime happened .

Yeah, sad issue.

 

[Kirran]

There is no reason for a woman to sold her honor to eat or live ., she could ask for help , the people will help her i believe their are many generous people

I saw Syrian refugees women , most of them mendicant , we always

i believe prostitute and strip club and many sex programes is trade and business.

Easy to say. But completely wrong. Who would she ask for help? What if they addicted to drugs, are too scared to try and tell anyone what's going on, etc?

Many women are in a situation where they are forced to be prostitutes by circumstances.

i know try to stop her , is different than by force

so i guess if she insisting , he will divorce her ?

I believe if it's about my father decision, he will definitly divorce her .

Well they aren't actually married, but maybe they'd break up, yeah.

 

[Godobeyer]

influenced, yes.

But the media doesn't have responsibility ultimately, although it can certainly be destructive. But absolute responsibility rests on the individual.

I posted the exemple of media of ISIS to know that there is also punishement about some media sources .

so when all the media will punished or being responsible sometimes , that depend in goverment and laws .

Offender is the term for the person who has committed a crime.



Yeah, sad issue.

ok thanks clarify it to me

yeah it's sad

 

[Godobeyer]

Easy to say. But completely wrong. Who would she ask for help? What if they addicted to drugs, are too scared to try and tell anyone what's going on, etc?

Many women are in a situation where they are forced to be prostitutes by circumstances.

if all poor women decide to be prostitutes , so we will live in very dirty world .


i believe it's her choice to be addicted to druges too . so it's invidual responsibilty as you said always .

 

[Kirran]

I posted the exemple of media of ISIS to know that there is also punishement about some media sources .

so when all the media will punished or being responsible sometimes , that depend in goverment and laws .

No matter how bad the media, there is still personal responsibility.

And let's remember, brainwashing is different to just exposure.

 

[Kirran]

if all poor women decide to be prostitutes , so we will live in very dirty world .

i believe it's her choice to be addicted to druges too . so it's invidual responsibilty as you said always .

I didn't say all poor women are obligated to be prostitutes. But there are many women who really aren't able to get out of that situation. If it's sleep with a man for money or watch your children starve, which do you do? Not difficult.

Not someone's choice to be addicted. Someone's choice, often very uninformed and at a young age, and so less deserving of punishment, to do drugs in the first place. After that, the fact you are addicted is much less of a choice.

 

[Godobeyer]

I didn't say all poor women are obligated to be prostitutes. But there are many women who really aren't able to get out of that situation. If it's sleep with a man for money or watch your children starve, which do you do? Not difficult.

Not someone's choice to be addicted. Someone's choice, often very uninformed and at a young age, and so less deserving of punishment, to do drugs in the first place. After that, the fact you are addicted is much less of a choice.

No matter how bad the media, there is still personal responsibility.

And let's remember, brainwashing is different to just exposure.

we are agree issues and disagree in issue

that your opinion.

 

[Riverwolf]

If you found someone tells that freedom is include cheating , and of course contacting EX , and watching dirty movies ,and walk almost naked or naked in public area , do agree or disagree ?

Cheating kind of feels like the odd one out in that, as it's the only one that involves harm. Contacting ex's, watching dirty movies, and walking almost naked in public are completely fine. Cheating is not fine.

Whether they involve "freedom" or not depends on the reach of the word in question, and I think is beyond the scope of this discussion.

By the way, for clarity, open relationships are not cheating. If a couple agrees that their relationship is "open", that is, one or both is free to have other sexual partners given a set of rules(for safety), that's not cheating. The same applies to polyamory. Open relationships and polyamory are perfectly fine, as long as they're done safely.

If your partner found you watches such movies , she will be happy , or shocked ?

Not only is she well aware that I watch porn sometimes, we've both watched porn together, and I've seen her read erotic literature and hentai manga without any prompting from me. The "mainstream" porn industry is all kinds of messed up, but neither of us is against porn itself.

I have absolutely NO intention of EVER cheating on her. It's not gonna happen.

if it's would be normal , how about other people (majority) of people , do you think they agree with you ?

Why should I care about whether they do or not? I'm not in high school anymore.

 

[SomeRandom]

No problem we all made mistakes sometimes

i am glade that you understand my point there is influence of media on us , so we maybe it's individual effect , i mean each had his own percentage of , maybe 10% , 30% maybe top to 100%

i believe that huge number of humanity especialy in West and Arab world, are influenced by media ..

they may had the ability of influencing by , more than others .

Influence does not mean control. You are aware of the difference between those two words. Yes? No media has 100% influence over us. That would be control.
Media can have an affect on our conclusions, the way we think even. But people are still autonomous at the end of the day.
Blaming media influence for violence (something inherent in our species) is a gross oversimplification. We have been violent since before cave paintings even.

We have something called personal responsibility. This concept is taught to school children and expected from adults. This means that whatever action someone chooses to do of their own free will (potentially excluding desperate circumstances) they are responsible for it. It doesn't matter what book they read, what movie they watch, what celebrity they look up to. It's no one's responsibility but the person committing the action.

 

[SomeRandom]

if all poor women decide to be prostitutes , so we will live in very dirty world .


i believe it's her choice to be addicted to druges too . so it's invidual responsibilty as you said always .

Poverty is a desperate circumstance. This means that people will do whatever it takes to survive, even if they don't want to. This is a scenario where we commonly give some leeway.
And prostitution also has in its employ sex slaves. Then there are abusive pimps who will beat a woman if she does not prostitute herself. Sometimes the pimp is her abusive boyfriend.
In Australia we have legal prostitution so it's regulated by the government to try to stop that element. But you can't get rid of it completely, unfortunately.
Not every choice is a free one, so to speak.

Taking drugs is a choice. Being addicted to drugs is not. Addiction literally means you cannot stop and need outside help. This is another desperate circumstance where leeway is given with regards to personal responsibility, as the addict is not often of sound mind. This is why rehab and interventions exist.

 

[Godobeyer]

Influence does not mean control. You are aware of the difference between those two words. Yes? No media has 100% influence over us. That would be control.
Media can have an affect on our conclusions, the way we think even. But people are still autonomous at the end of the day.
Blaming media influence for violence (something inherent in our species) is a gross oversimplification. We have been violent since before cave paintings even.

We have something called personal responsibility. This concept is taught to school children and expected from adults. This means that whatever action someone chooses to do of their own free will (potentially excluding desperate circumstances) they are responsible for it. It doesn't matter what book they read, what movie they watch, what celebrity they look up to. It's no one's responsibility but the person committing the action.

yes , Blaming media in whole violence is not fair , blame it for ONLY it's influence .

 

[SomeRandom]

yes , Blaming media in whole violence is not fair , blame it for ONLY it's influence .

Of course. But influence alone won't absolve you. We have a saying in English. If everyone else jumped off a cliff would you do it?
It's essentially a phrase to show the dangers of blindly following the crowd or even a personal hero. It means that a person should think for themselves.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question.
If your all time favourite movie showed a man beating his wife because he was jealous would you personally then think that you should beat your wife if you ever felt jealous?

 

[Godobeyer]

Of course. But influence alone won't absolve you. We have a saying in English. If everyone else jumped off a cliff would you do it?
It's essentially a phrase to show the dangers of blindly following the crowd or even a personal hero. It means that a person should think for themselves.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question.
If your all time favourite movie showed a man beating his wife because he was jealous would you personally then think that you should beat your wife if you ever felt jealous?

you find some people choose to imitate and some others choose to just enjoy , that depend how they behave , after the influence process end .

but i think voilence movies or games may effect in personality of someone .

 

[SomeRandom]

you find some people choose to imitate and some others choose to just enjoy , that depend how they behave , after the influence process end .

but i think voilence movies or games may effect in personality of someone .

If they "choose" just to enjoy where the hell is the influence then? There isn't any in that scenario!!

It may. May not just as easily.

 

[Godobeyer]

If they "choose" just to enjoy where the hell is the influence then? There isn't any in that scenario!!

It may. May not just as easily.

maybe you don't get it

this is may good exemple just to understand me :

If i John is swear to you and insult you (without reason), and you had the choices how your respond him by fight him or discuss him or let it go (ignore him)

John : is media

provoke : is influence on you

you : the chooser .(reciever)

respond(fight hims, ignore him) : that your hell of scenarios that i talking about