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Just seen a newly minted 'Constantine created the Bible' combined with a 'Constantine invented Christianity' double whammy
Like clockwork...
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If your holy book fails to match reality ...
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Just seen a newly minted 'Constantine created the Bible' combined with a 'Constantine invented Christianity' double whammy
Like clockwork...
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
Nah.
I've been around quite awhile, and if there is one thing that is true, it is this: dissenters from the mainstream all look alike. They think alike, and the protest using the same words. "Sheep" is the word to describe them. They just pick the flock they think will irritate the 'powers that be' and go with that, even as what they truly are after is support and validation for being a different breed of sheep. I figured that out during the 'hippie' age, where there was no group of people on the planet that were alike. They dressed alike, they acted alike, their slogans were all the same and they used the same words. Everybody wore tie dye t-shirts and accused ME of being a conformist because I wouldn't buy a pair of hip-huggers or iron my hair straight.
The only difference between them and the 'free thinkers' of today is a change of uniform.
The true free thinker is someone who doesn't go with the dissenters because they dissent. They don't go with the mainstream because it is 'safe' and 'what I have been taught." He chooses his beliefs, and goes with them, whether they keep him 'mainstream,' or send him in another direction, and doesn't worry about whether anybody else calls him/her a 'sheep.'
I am objective, but if enough things seem wrong in my religion I have to give it some time before I change because I can't just be carried by the wind. I have changed religions for a long time many times before, but now am back in the religion I grew up with.
christianity is the worst evil to infect this planet....islam coming along to challenge..
sooda
Veteran Member
I thought it was very interesting and I am NO fan of 700 club.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Welcome to RF and thanks for that uplifting message.
sooda
Veteran Member
Yeah, that's true.
I loved the Bible stories when I was a kid.. Also Aesop;s Fables, Grimm's Fairy Tales....
But after age ten I just couldn't say Jonah sat inside a whale for 3 days with a straight face.
sooda
Veteran Member
Who is Ray Comfort?
yes its so true...
306: The church Synod of Elvira banned marriages, sexual intercourse and community contacts between Christians and Jews. 3,4
337: Christian Emperor Constantius created a law which made the marriage of a Jewish man to a Christian punishable by death.
bullet 339: Converting to Judaism became a criminal offense.
bullet 343-381: The Laodicean Synod approved Cannon XXXVIII: "It is not lawful [for Christians] to receive unleavened bread from the Jews, nor to be partakers of their impiety." 5
bullet 367 - 376: St. Hilary of Poitiers referred to Jews as a perverse people who God has cursed forever. St. Ephroem refers to synagogues as brothels.
bullet 379-395: Emperor Theodosius the Great permitted the destruction of synagogues if it served a religious purpose. Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire at this time.
bullet 380: The bishop of Milan was responsible for the burning of a synagogue; he referred to it as "an act pleasing to God."
bullet 415: The Bishop of Alexandria, St. Cyril, expelled the Jews from that Egyptian city.
bullet 415: St. Augustine wrote "The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus."
bullet 418: St. Jerome, who created the Vulgate translation of the Bible wrote of a synagogue: "If you call it a brothel, a den of vice, the Devil's refuge, Satan's fortress, a place to deprave the soul, an abyss of every conceivable disaster or whatever you will, you are still saying less than it deserves."
bullet 489 - 519: Christian mobs destroyed the synagogues in Antioch, Daphne (near Antioch) and Ravenna.
bullet 528: Emperor Justinian (527-564) passed the Justinian Code. It prohibited Jews from building synagogues, reading the Bible in Hebrew, assemble in public, celebrate Passover before Easter, and testify against Christians in court. 3
bullet 535: The "Synod of Claremont decreed that Jews could not hold public office or have authority over Christians." 3
bullet 538: The 3rd and 4th Councils of Orleans prohibited Jews from appearing in public during the Easter season. Canon XXX decreed that "From the Thursday before Easter for four days, Jews may not appear in the company of Christians." 5 Marriages between Christians and Jews were prohibited. Christians were prohibited from converting to Judaism. 4
bullet 561: The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France.
bullet 613: Very serious persecution began in Spain. Jews were given the options of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years of age were taken from their parents and given a Christian education
bullet 692: Cannnon II of the Quinisext Council stated: "Let no one in the priestly order nor any layman eat the unleavened bread of the Jews, nor have any familiar intercourse with them, nor summon them in illness, nor receive medicines from them, nor bathe with them; but if anyone shall take in hand to do so, if he is a cleric, let him be deposed, but if a layman, let him be cut off." 5
bullet 694: The 17th Church Council of Toledo, Spain defined Jews as the serfs of the prince. This was based, in part, on the beliefs by Chrysostom, Origen, Jerome, and other Church Fathers that God punished the Jews with perpetual slavery because of their alleged responsibility for the execution of Jesus. 5
bullet 722: Leo III outlawed Judaism. Jews were baptized against their will.
bullet 855: Jews were exiled from Italy.
bullet 1050: The Synod of Narbonne prohibited Christians from living in the homes of Jews.
bullet 1078: "Pope Gregory VII decreed that Jews could not hold office or be superiors to Christians." 6
bullet 1078: The Synod of Gerona forced Jews to pay church taxes.
bullet 1096: The First Crusade was launched in this year. Although the prime goal of the crusades was to liberate Jerusalem from the Muslims, Jews were a second target. As the soldiers passed through Europe on the way to the Holy Land, large numbers of Jews were challenged: "Christ-killers, embrace the Cross or die!" 12,000 Jews in the Rhine Valley alone were killed in the first Crusade. This behavior continued for 8 additional crusades until the 9th in 1272.
bullet 1099: The Crusaders forced all of the Jews of Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set it on fire. Those who tried to escape were forced back into the burning building.
bullet 1121: Jews were exiled from Flanders (now part of present-day Belgium)
bullet 1130: Some Jews in London allegedly killed a sick man. The Jewish people in the city were required to pay 1 million marks as compensation.
bullet 1146: The Second Crusade began. A French Monk, Rudolf, called for the destruction of the Jews.
bullet 1179: Canon 24 of the Third Lateran Council stated: "Jews should be slaves to Christians and at the same time treated kindly due of humanitarian considerations." Canon 26 stated that "the testimony of Christians against Jews is to be preferred in all causes where they use their own witnesses against Christians." 7
bullet 1180: The French King of France, Philip Augustus, arbitrarily seized all Jewish property and expelled the Jews from the country. There was no legal justification for this action. They were allowed to sell all movable possessions, but their land and houses were stolen by the king.
bullet 1189: Jews were persecuted in England. The Crown claimed all Jewish possessions. Most of their houses were burned.
1205: Pope Innocent III wrote to the archbishops of Sens and Paris that "the Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord...As slaves rejected by God, in whose death they wickedly conspire, they shall by the effect of this very action, recognize themselves as the slaves of those whom Christ's death set free..."
1215: The Fourth Lateran Council approved canon laws requiring that "Jews and Muslims shall wear a special dress." They also had to wear a badge in the form of a ring. This was to enable them to be easily distinguished from Christians. This practice later spread to other countries.
bullet 1227: The Synod of Narbonne required Jews to wear an oval badge. This requirement was reinstalled during the 1930's by Hitler, who changed the oval badge to a Star of David.
1229: The Spanish inquisition starts. Later, in 1252, Pope Innocent IV authorizes the use of torture by the Inquisitors.
bullet 1236: Pope Gregory ordered that church leaders in England, France, Portugal and Spain confiscate Jewish books on the first Saturday of Lent. 1
bullet 1259: A "synod of the archdiocese in Mainz ordered Jews to wear yellow badges." 1
bullet 1261: Duke Henry III of Brabant, Belgium, stated in his will that "Jews...must be expelled from Brabant and totally annihilated so that not a single one remains, except those who are willing to trade, like all other tradesmen, without money-lending and usury." 2
267: The Synod of Vienna ordered Jews to wear horned hats. Thomas Aquinas said that Jews should live in perpetual servitude.
bullet 1290: Jews are exiled from England. About 16,000 left the country.
bullet 1298: Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria and Franconia. 140 Jewish communities were destroyed; more than 100,000 Jews were killed over a 6 month period.
bullet 1306: 100,000 Jews are exiled from France. They left with only the clothes on their backs, and food for only one day.
bullet 1320: 40,000 French shepherds went to Palestine on the Shepherd Crusade. On the way, 140 Jewish communities were destroyed.
1321: In Guienne, France, Jews were accused of having incited criminals to poison wells. 5,000 Jews were burned alive, at the stake.
bullet 1338: The councilors of Freiburg banned the performance of anti-Jewish scenes from the town's passion play because of the lethal bloody reactions against Jews which followed the performances. 9
bullet 1347 +: The Black Death originated in the Far East. China, Mongolia, India, central Asia, and southern Russia have all been suggested as the source. 10 Mongol invaders brought it to Caffa in the Crimea (modern-day Fedodosiya). Defenders from the city later spread the disease throughout many Mediterranean ports. 11 Rats initially carried the Black Death; their fleas spread the disease from the rats to humans. As the plague worsened, the germs spread from human to human. In five years, the death toll had reached 25 million. In England, two centuries passed before its population levels recovered from the plague. People searched for someone to blame. They noted that a smaller percentage of Jews than Christians caught the disease. This was undoubtedly due to the Jewish sanitary and dietary laws, which had been preserved from Old Testament times. Rumors circulated that Satan was protecting the Jews and that they were paying back the Devil by poisoning wells used by Christians. The solution was to torture, murder and burn the Jews. "In Bavaria...12,000 Jews...perished; in the small town of Erfurt...3,000; Rue Brul©e...2,000 Jews; near Tours, an immense trench was dug, filled with blazing wood and in a single day 160 Jews were burned." 5 In Strausberg 2,000 Jews were burned. In Maintz 6,000 were killed...; in Worms 400..." 3
bullet 1354: 12,000 Jews were executed in Toledo.
bullet 1374: An epidemic of possession broke out in the lower Rhine region of what is now Germany. People were seen "dancing, jumping and [engaging in] wild raving." This was triggered by enthusiastic revels on St. John's Day - an Christianized version of an ancient Pagan seasonal day of celebration which was still observed by the populace. The epidemic spread throughout the Rhine and in much of the Netherlands and Germany. Crowds of 500 or more dancers would be overcome together. Exorcisms were tried, but failed. Pilgrimages to the shrine of St. Vitus were tried, but this only seemed to exacerbate the problem. Finally, the rumor spread that God was angry because Christians had been excessively tolerant towards the Jews. God had cursed Europe as He did Saul when he showed mercy towards God's enemies in the Old Testament. Jews "were plundered, tortured and murdered by tens of thousands." The epidemic finally burned itself out two centuries later, in the late 16th century. 4
bullet 1391 : Jewish persecutions begin in Seville and in 70 other Jewish communities throughout Spain.
bullet 1394 : Jews were exiled, for the second time, from France.
bullet 1431 +: The Council of Basel "forbade Jews to go to universities, prohibited them from acting as agents in the conclusion of contracts between Christians, and required that they attend church sermons." 5
there is more christian history of christians ...want some more?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Count yourself lucky. He is a New Zealand export to America. Sadly the Kiwis shouted "No backsies!!" and we are stuck with him.
that is a start sooda...but jesus believed in jonah..and noah..
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Seriously? You have never heard the "Crocoduck argument"? What country do you live next in?
Ahh, Ray "banana Ray" Comfort.
He's a prominent Christian apologist and creationist.
He once made a video using the banana as evidence of God creating the world for us. Until someone pointed out that the banana was literally made by humans through selective breeding.Thus earning the moniker of Banana Man or Banana Ray or some variation.
I guess he has a decent sense of humour because even he took to mocking the idea.
Ray Comfort - Wikipedia
ray comfort???..google banana man..
sooda
Veteran Member
Atlanta, Georgia.
Oooh.. I know who Kirk Cameron is.. He's a loon.
The crocoduck is a fictitious hybrid animal with the head of a crocodile and the body of a duck proposed by Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. It became a symbol of creationists' misunderstanding of the basic principles of evolution.
the old testament used by christians is not jewish....it is the septuagint..a greek translation...there is no mention of virgin in the real jewish OT..
This is an interesting point. The Orthodox use the LXX, but most Proddies use the Masoretic. The RSV and NRSV, the NET and the JPS translate 'young woman' as it should be.