Ignorance about evolution no longer a valid excuse for creationists

[Skwim]

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Some of those on evolution can be seen by clicking on any of the titles below.


Science, Evolution, and Creationism Microbal Evolution and Co-Adaptation
Teaching About Evolution and the Natural Sciences In the Light of Evolution III

 

[Thief]

And you are going which way with this?

I don't believe science trumps faith.

I do believe in evolution though....God did it.

 

[Skwim]

And you are going which way with this?

As a public service.

I don't believe science trumps faith.

Which is fine. We all put faith in things. Just about every day I put faith in my car's brakes to stop it, because I have no science to tell me they will.

I do believe in evolution though....God did it.

Cool!

 

[Skepsis2]

As a public service.

Which is fine. We all put faith in things. Just about every day I put faith in my car's brakes to stop it, because I have no science to tell me they will.

It’s nice to have faith in the breaking system on your car but if you don’t have a basic understanding of the system and neglect the required maintenance you may find your faith defined as “wishful thinking” when you suddenly try to stop to avoid an accident that might cause harm to not only you but others as well. You and your passengers may well survive if your faith is based more on reliable information and regular maintenance.

 

[Man of Faith]

Every book on evolution assumes evolution to be true. Evolution or creation is not something we can observe in real time. I already know what evolution says happens and what evolution is observed to happen, how it supposed to work and how it is observed to work. Those are actually different things.

How evolution is said to have happened is random mutation and natural selection, but how it is observed to happen is change in allele frequency. I’m sure I could read every book ever written and watch every movie made on evolution and I would come to the same conclusion. It can’t happen and it is all imagination. Every time it is described, it goes something similar to “observe the change in allele frequency, and then imagine what could happen over billions o years….” or “What prevents evolution from happening”?

It can’t be observed because it didn’t happen and isn’t happening. Please people start thinking critically about non-observable scientific claims. Where are the skeptics when they are really needed?

 

[outhouse]

It’s nice to have faith in the breaking system on your car but if you don’t have a basic understanding of the system and neglect the required maintenance you may find your faith defined as “wishful thinking” when you suddenly try to stop to avoid an accident that might cause harm to not only you but others as well. You and your passengers may well survive if your faith is based more on reliable information and regular maintenance.

simply dreadfull to plagiarize a good quality thread

 

[outhouse]

Every book on evolution assumes evolution to be true.

because it is and there is no debate about.

only religious zealots deny evolution to a serious lack of scientific education

Evolution or creation is not something we can observe in real time

Is this another lie???

you have been showed over and over again the evolution has been observed in the lab.

creation however is in a direct line with imagination, and outlawed in schools to be kept from our childrens minds.

It can’t be observed because it didn’t happen and isn’t happening

you can deny it all you like but evolution isnt going anywhere.

It is as fact as gravity

 

[outhouse]

whats funny here, sad really

Is how the uneducated religious come in and try to chop down valid science they dont understand the first thing about.

whats even worse is most dont have a clue about the religion they follow and place their foundation on.

a closed mind is a terrible thing to waist

here is some good free education and to mock it before finishing it to me is primitive.

 

[Krok]

whats funny here, sad really
Is how the uneducated religious come in and try to chop down valid science they dont understand the first thing about.

No, outhouse, it is not sad. It's great. The uneducated religious fundies caused me to start questioning what I was taught and brainwashed to believe in since the day I was born. It was one of the main reasons for me being atheist today. The uneducated religious freed my mind!

...whats even worse is most dont have a clue about the religion they follow and place their foundation on.

This is the sad part. Atheists normally know more about what is written in religious holy books than the religious do.

...a closed mind is a terrible thing to waist

It certainly is, but those closed minds help other people to open their own minds.

...here is some good free education and to mock it before finishing it to me is primitive.

Don't you know that education, coupled with rationalism, is the single biggest enemy of the religious, because they won't get an income when people start thinking for themselves? :angel2:

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Which is fine. We all put faith in things.

I disagree, we don't have to have faith.

Just about every day I put faith in my car's brakes to stop it, because I have no science to tell me they will.

That's trust, not faith. Also, I don't think we need trust either.

 

[jarofthoughts]

I don't believe science trumps faith.

You can of course believe whatever you want, but just so you know, science has been trumping faith for centuries now...

Just ask Gallileo.
He'll back me up on this one.

 

[Krok]

I do believe in evolution though....God did it.

This is very strange. You can't 'believe' in gravity, but you can only accept the Gravity Theory. Nothing to "believe" in the Gravity Theory. Just facts.

Just like you don't 'believe' in the Atom Theory. Just like you don't 'believe' in the Cell Theory. Just like you don't 'believe' in the Theory of Evolution. You accept all these theories, because the evidence for each of them is overwhelming.

It's a different matter with your believe in your god, though. You believe that your chosen god exists and is the only one true god. No evidence for it, you just 'believe' it, because it is written in some book.

 

[Thief]

This is very strange. You can't 'believe' in gravity, but you can only accept the Gravity Theory. Nothing to "believe" in the Gravity Theory. Just facts.

Just like you don't 'believe' in the Atom Theory. Just like you don't 'believe' in the Cell Theory. Just like you don't 'believe' in the Theory of Evolution. You accept all these theories, because the evidence for each of them is overwhelming.

It's a different matter with your believe in your god, though. You believe that your chosen god exists and is the only one true god. No evidence for it, you just 'believe' it, because it is written in some book.

Too many assumptions on your part.

This and previous postings clearly indicate one thing.

The Carpenter was right.

 

[Android]

The Carpenter was right.

Carpenters are only qualified to teach us woodwork.

 

[CatholicCrusader]

Ignorance about evolution no longer a valid excuse for creationists

Not quite sure what that means. Creationism and Evolution are not mutually exclusive.

For that matter, considering the many miracles wrought by God and witnessed by many, ignorance about creationism is not a valid excuse for evolutionists either.

Evolution does NOT explain the origin of the Universe. It only attempts to explain what happened AFTER the Universe was created.

 

[Thief]

Carpenters are only qualified to teach us woodwork.

Parables...and all kinds of things actually.

Don't want to learn?

Why are you here?

 

[Android]

Don't want to learn??

Of course, I love learning!

Why are you here?

To teach, or at least try.

 

[Skwim]

I disagree, we don't have to have faith.

That's trust, not faith. Also, I don't think we need trust either.

Trust is the defining component of faith; however, I'm going to go along with you on this one and change my opinion. Good point.

Not quite sure what that means. Creationism and Evolution are not mutually exclusive.

Then I suggest you ask a creationist how evolution fits in with his explanation of the diversity of life.

For that matter, considering the many miracles wrought by God and witnessed by many, ignorance about creationism is not a valid excuse for evolutionists either.

Oh, I think every evolutionists worthy of the name knows quite a bit about creationism, which is exactly why they dismiss it.

Evolution does NOT explain the origin of the Universe. It only attempts to explain what happened AFTER the Universe was created.

So what? Cosmology doesn't explain plate tectonics, but that doesn't cast any shadow on what it does explain.

 

[Oneatatime]

Ignorance is not an excuse. Creationist should have realised the moment they started debating with those who know something about evolution that what they had been taught about evolution didn't truely reflect the science but rather represented a strawman version of it.

 

[Skwim]

Ignorance is not an excuse. Creationist should have realised the moment they started debating with those who know something about evolution that what they had been taught about evolution didn't truely reflect the science but rather represented a strawman version of it.

And this is the saddest part of the creationist movement; the purposeful deceit practiced by its proponents.