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jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
How many Christians believe that "evil people" go to hell to suffer for eternity.
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many Christians believe "the good" will live in Heaven? What would you do once their?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many believe human kind was meant to inhabit the earth in a righteous environment
being run by a Theocracy?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many believe in the Trinity and does that mean belief in a "Triune Diety".
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

What do you believe is meant by "being saved" or achieving salvation?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

Do any of you believe of a "second coming of Christ" & when?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How many Christians believe that "evil people" go to hell to suffer for eternity.
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.
Nobody can say how many.
I believe that when a person dies his or her spirit goes back to where it came from. I don't think that spirit can feel anything physical. Even if the spirit souls go back to The God and the person in his or her life had made God suffer I think that even though they deserve to suffer for the suffering they caused God won't make them suffer. Scripture says that nothing too hard for a person will God do. They might become aware of the suffering they caused others and suffer for that, but not forever imo.

How many Christians believe "the good" will live in Heaven? What would you do once their?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.
I do not think good and righteous are synonymous. The righteous are alive in heaven imo.

How many believe human kind was meant to inhabit the earth in a righteous environment
being run by a Theocracy?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.
Eight million people and their minions believe it. I think that anyone who understands Genesis should know that God's will is for humankind to live on Earth righteously. Genesis 1:26

How many believe in the Trinity and does that mean belief in a "Triune Diety".
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.
I don't.

What do you believe is meant by "being saved" or achieving salvation?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.
Knowing Jesus Christ is our salvation.

Do any of you believe of a "second coming of Christ" & when?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.
I do not believe Christ will come back with a big show. I think he comes to each person who is on the side of righteousness.

Nice touch? LOL. I do not understand. I could think of nothing better to do right now. Hello!
 

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
How many Christians believe that "evil people" go to hell to suffer for eternity.
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

Not me. An eternal conscious punishment in fiery torment is against God's personality and justice. What purpose does it serve if there is no way to repent? How does the punishment fit the crime?

How many Christians believe "the good" will live in Heaven? What would you do once their?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

I was actually relieved to find out that I wasn't going to heaven. Only those who will rule with Christ are invited to heaven. It is a "calling" (Heb 3:1). These are going to be "kings and priests" (Rev 20:6) so who are their subjects and for whom do they act as priests? Those who go to heaven are no longer sinful, so they do not need to serve as priests for one another....and kings do not rule other kings.

Rev 21:1-5 tells us that they will rule mankind.

How many believe human kind was meant to inhabit the earth in a righteous environment
being run by a Theocracy?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

Humans are made for the earth, and the earth for humans. It was intended to be our permanent home.
In the beginning God was mankind's only ruler. When Adam and his wife disobeyed, sin created a barrier between themselves and their God. They died as a result of their own actions, but left the legacy of sin as an inheritance for their children. This necessitated a means by which God could release them from this endless cycle of sin and death, brough upon them through no fault on their part. This is why Jesus was sent into the world...to offer atonement for Adam's sin in his children and to become king of a kingdom which would restore what Adam lost.

How many believe in the Trinity and does that mean belief in a "Triune Diety".
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

There is no triune deity in the Bible. (Deut 6:4) Placing the son in an equal position with the Father is a blasphemy and in breach of the first Commandment.

What do you believe is meant by "being saved" or achieving salvation?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

Understanding what we are being "saved" from is a help. Initially humans had nothing to be "saved" from. But Adam's sin introduced evil into the world. As free willed beings we can choose a course of evil necessitating an eventual accounting for how we have lived our lives. When the judgment comes, only those who are found "doing the will of the Father" will qualify to survive the coming end of this system of things. (Matt 7:21-23; 2 Thess 1:6-9) Those found to be "sheep" will be granted life..."saved" from the adverse judgment upon the wicked, or those judged as "goats" at that time.

Do any of you believe of a "second coming of Christ" & when?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

It is Jesus coming with his angels to "separate the sheep from the goats". World conditions indicate that it is imminent.
No one knows "the day or hour" but Jesus said we would know when it was near by the signs he gave to indicate that he was reigning as king. (Matt 24:3-14; 32, 33, 36-39)

Edit: Corrected typos.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
How many Christians believe that "evil people" go to hell to suffer for eternity.
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many Christians believe "the good" will live in Heaven? What would you do once their?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many believe human kind was meant to inhabit the earth in a righteous environment
being run by a Theocracy?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many believe in the Trinity and does that mean belief in a "Triune Diety".
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

What do you believe is meant by "being saved" or achieving salvation?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

Do any of you believe of a "second coming of Christ" & when?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.
Are all these questions just for Christians or only the first two, with the rest for everyone?
 

Yoshua

Well-Known Member
How many Christians believe that "evil people" go to hell to suffer for eternity.
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

I believe when Jesus offered the gift of eternal life, that would mean we are destined to damnation. We are all guilty as sinners. God will not sent His Son Jesus Christ to redeem us from the penalty of death if there is no hell. Why Christ offered Himself as the sacrificial lamb on the cross if we are not not destined to hell? Some believes that when a person dies, he is at the "pause" state, and later will awaken. There is no such thing as this.

How many Christians believe "the good" will live in Heaven? What would you do once their?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

John 3:16
16. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. A Christian does not need to do good works to attain salvation. If we based our salvation by works, then anybody can boast, the rich can do a lot of good works. It is because we are His workmanship (good works will automatically come out because we are created in Christ Jesus to do good works).
Eph. 2:8-10
8. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9. not as a result of works, that no one should boast.
10. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

A person who (truthfully) accepts and received Jesus Christ as His Lord and Saviour, and have a personal relationship with Him--will be with God in heaven.

How many believe human kind was meant to inhabit the earth in a righteous environment
being run by a Theocracy?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

It is dangerous, if there is person who will act as the authority to our divine God like the (Vatican). I don't believe.

How many believe in the Trinity and does that mean belief in a "Triune Diety".
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

I believe that God exists in three persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Matt. 28:19
19. "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit

What do you believe is meant by "being saved" or achieving salvation?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

Being saved is having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, same as the disciple have a relationship with Jesus Christ. How can anybody claimed that he is saved without knowing Jesus Christ intimately(unless he believes that the holy Spirit is impersonal). Believe, recieve, accept, and acknowledge Jesus Christ as the His Lord and Saviour.

Do any of you believe of a "second coming of Christ" & when?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

Yes, absolutely. we did not know his 2nd coming. Some predicted & prophesied Jesus 2nd coming, but the Bible says that he will come like a thief in the night. So why prophesied if the Bible stated he will come as a thief?
1 Thess. 5:2
2. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.

Thanks
 
How many Christians believe that "evil people" go to hell to suffer for eternity. A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

“The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
The Fiery Furnace

How many Christians believe "the good" will live in Heaven? What would you do once their?A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.” “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter the kingdom."
Straight from the horses mouth

How many believe human kind was meant to inhabit the earth in a righteous environment being run by a Theocracy? A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” " If you fast not from the world, you will not find the kingdom". "It is not possible for a man to ride two horses or draw two bows, and it is not possible for a servant to serve two masters; or he will honor one and insult the other."
Jesus said nothing about government on this earth. It didn't interest him.

How many believe in the Trinity and does that mean belief in a "Triune Diety".

Jesus never spoke the word "trinity".

Do any of you believe of a "second coming of Christ" & when? A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

"But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away." "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, "And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."
It is what it is. Still 2000 years late.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
How many Christians believe that "evil people" go to hell to suffer for eternity.
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many Christians believe "the good" will live in Heaven? What would you do once their?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many believe human kind was meant to inhabit the earth in a righteous environment
being run by a Theocracy?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many believe in the Trinity and does that mean belief in a "Triune Diety".
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

What do you believe is meant by "being saved" or achieving salvation?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

Do any of you believe of a "second coming of Christ" & when?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.
I do not believe the Bible teaches eternal torment for the wicked, but rather, "everlasting destruction." (2 Thessalonians 1:9)
A small number go to heaven to rule as Kings with Christ over the earth. (Revelation 5:9,10)
Most righteous ones will live forever on earth under God's Kingdom. (Matthew 5:5)
The Trinity is not a Bible teaching. (1 Corinthians 11:3)
I believe a person is saved by exercising faith in Jesus Christ. Once saved, always saved is not taught in the Bible. (John 3:16, Jude 5)
Jesus is coming again to destroy the wicked and save the righteous.(2 Thessalonians 1:7,8)
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
“The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
The Fiery Furnace


Separate the good from the evil and throw (evil) into the fiery furnace?

Replace "good" with "the ones who can work" and evil with "the ones who cannot work". What does that remind you of?

Ciao

- viole
 

JoStories

Well-Known Member
How many Christians believe that "evil people" go to hell to suffer for eternity.
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many Christians believe "the good" will live in Heaven? What would you do once their?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many believe human kind was meant to inhabit the earth in a righteous environment
being run by a Theocracy?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many believe in the Trinity and does that mean belief in a "Triune Diety".
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

What do you believe is meant by "being saved" or achieving salvation?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

Do any of you believe of a "second coming of Christ" & when?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.
Answering as a non Christian:

1. No, because there is no such thing as hell or evil. They are manmade concepts
2. There is no such thing as 'heaven', same as for hell.
3. IMO, none. The idea is ludicrous to me.
4. I don't believe in God as anything but a spiritual being, a guide of sorts.
5/ There is no need for being saved. Saved from what?
6. That question is moot to me as I never believed Christ was divine.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Separate the good from the evil and throw (evil) into the fiery furnace?

Replace "good" with "the ones who can work" and evil with "the ones who cannot work". What does that remind you of?

Ciao

- viole

Well the way you wrote the statement is sounds like Hitlers Nazis.
The Bible, when read with an open and teachable mind says nothing like that.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
How many Christians believe that "evil people" go to hell to suffer for eternity.
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many Christians believe "the good" will live in Heaven? What would you do once their?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many believe human kind was meant to inhabit the earth in a righteous environment
being run by a Theocracy?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many believe in the Trinity and does that mean belief in a "Triune Diety".
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

What do you believe is meant by "being saved" or achieving salvation?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

Do any of you believe of a "second coming of Christ" & when?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

1. Evil people are in a conscious state of hell for a period. Never content.

2. Heaven is a state of conscious, and can be experienced in this current life.

3. Mankind has made a relative mess of this Earth, from their own creations.

4. Trinity- consciousness, matter, and energy.

5. Salvation: set free from all/any mental burdens or things we are imprisoned to. Set free from religious control, conditioning, doctrines, traditions, family and friend, government conditioning of our minds.

6. The only coming of the Christ is internally, consciously, and metaphysically, as well as at physical death.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Answering as a non Christian:

1. No, because there is no such thing as hell or evil. They are manmade concepts
2. There is no such thing as 'heaven', same as for hell.
3. IMO, none. The idea is ludicrous to me.
4. I don't believe in God as anything but a spiritual being, a guide of sorts.
5/ There is no need for being saved. Saved from what?
6. That question is moot to me as I never believed Christ was divine.

Thanks for the opinion. However I feel you are wrong and don't fully understand
the Christian Bible.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
1. Evil people are in a conscious state of hell for a period. Never content.

2. Heaven is a state of conscious, and can be experienced in this current life.

3. Mankind has made a relative mess of this Earth, from their own creations.

4. Trinity- consciousness, matter, and energy.

5. Salvation: set free from all/any mental burdens or things we are imprisoned to. Set free from religious control, conditioning, doctrines, traditions, family and friend, government conditioning of our minds.

6. The only coming of the Christ is internally, consciously, and metaphysically, as well as at physical death.


Very interesting viewpoints.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
How many Christians believe that "evil people" go to hell to suffer for eternity.
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many Christians believe "the good" will live in Heaven? What would you do once their?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many believe human kind was meant to inhabit the earth in a righteous environment
being run by a Theocracy?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

How many believe in the Trinity and does that mean belief in a "Triune Diety".
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

What do you believe is meant by "being saved" or achieving salvation?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

Do any of you believe of a "second coming of Christ" & when?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch.

1. I believe that according to the scriptures ALL fall short of God's glory and choose sin and selfish desires over love for God. So everyone is in a state of evil headed for separation from the Holy Creator God. Since I believe we were created to exist and function in loving relationship with our Creator the absence of this life-giving relationship will be eternal suffering.
2. Again according to the scriptures ALL have sinned, so no one is good. I believe the only possible way of reaching heaven or having eternal life is to receive the righteousness of Christ. The scriptures indicate that though, the physical body of the believer sleeps in the grave their soul/spirit at present goes to be with the Lord. Later all who are saved by Jesus Christ (and this includes OT believers who looked forward to the promise of the Messiah/Savior) will live in the new heaven and new earth forever enjoying the love, beauty, peace, joy, and endless creativity of God.
3.I don't see the scriptures showing that humans were meant to live on earth in it's present state under a Theocracy permanently. I believe in the coming 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ from the throne of David in Jerusalem, but then will come the new heaven and new earth.
4, I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, ONE GOD composed of three Persons who all have the same Godly essence and nature. The scriptures state God is Love. Because I don't think true love can exist in isolation, but always involves another I see the eternal relationship of selfless love having always been expressed between the Persons of the Godhead.
5.Being saved means being reconciled back into the relationship with God the Creator which we were created for in the first place and saved from the pain of eternal separation from the Source of all life, love, and goodness. I don't believe salvation can be achieved by anyone, but is a gift available for anyone which must be received.
6. I believe in the second coming of Jesus Christ and especially believe His return will be soon as Israel is a nation again.

I'm not sure what you mean by asking if I think these are "nice touches" and my thoughts as to whether they are or not seems irrelevant to me.
 

Forever_Catholic

Active Member
How many Christians believe that "evil people" go to hell to suffer for eternity.
Those who reject God or die with unrepented mortal sin go to hell. It is a place of darkness, stink, horrors, demonic torments, regrets, pain, and other eternal sufferings. There is no beauty, love, or charity in hell because there is no presence of God whatever.

How many Christians believe "the good" will live in Heaven? What would you do once their?
Believers who die in a state of grace go to heaven. It is a place of extreme beauty to the senses and a place of eternal joy, all of which are beyond description with any human vocabulary, according to the saints who were given glimpses of it. The greatest joy is being in the face-to-face presence of God.

How many believe human kind was meant to inhabit the earth in a righteous environment
being run by a Theocracy?
We were meant to inhabit the earth in a state of sanctifying grace and in communion with God the creator, as Adam and Eve lived until their disobedience brought spiritual death onto themselves and their descendants.

How many believe in the Trinity and does that mean belief in a "Triune Diety".
The Triune God -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who are one. Anyone who believes what Christ said in revealing God to us believes in the Trinity.

What do you believe is meant by "being saved" or achieving salvation?
It means having eternal life in heaven.

Do any of you believe of a "second coming of Christ" & when?
Yes. It's also known as the final coming. It will be the final judgment. Only God knows the exact time, but we could certainly speculate that it's not very far off
 

arthra

Baha'i
Jaeger asked:

"Do any of you believe of a "second coming of Christ" & when?
A brief why you think that would be a nice touch."

Baha'is believe the prophecies of the Second Coming of Christ have been fulfilled with the declaration of Siyyid Ali Muhammad, the Bab, in Shiraz Persia in 1844/1260 AH... Christian and Islamic prophecies actually "dovetailed" on the date of 1844 and 1260 AH without either religion being much aware of the other of the prophecies involved. A brief summary of some of these prophecies can be seen here:

Christ, Return of

Baha'i: Prophecy Fulfilled Homepage
 

JoStories

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the opinion. However I feel you are wrong and don't fully understand
the Christian Bible.
Since you know I have studied this field for ages now, can you tell me why you think I am wrong and don't understand what you are trying to ask with your OP? I explained why I don't believe some, such as the ideas of sin and evil and hell. Are you trying to say you believe in those concepts because of a book? How do you know you are correct anymore than I am wrong?
 
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