I'm Not a Tolerant Person

[DNB]

No you gave an incorrect or at lest very credulous and naive reading. Sure, prostitutes and tax collectors aren't well seen people. They are pariah. Nobody likes tax collector because nobody likes to pay taxes, especially when they are poor and the poor did pay taxes back then. Progressive taxation wasn't really a thing. That doesn't mean that tax collectors were especially corrupt; at time and under some administration, corruption was rampant, but not so much during the life of Jesus. When Christianity started to organized itself and the Gospels were written though, corruption and shady monetary practices were far more common. These two events are 50 years apart though.



Actually, yes we were specifically talking about Jesus being tolerant of others by going on and dining with the very unpopular tax collectors and prostitutes. These two profession were presented specifically as "sinners" or at the very least, people of ill reputation and Jesus was not opposed to rub shoulders with them even though he certainly did not condone their profession and behavior as you demonstrated. He referred to them as "sick" and in need of spiritual healing.

I personally think that differentiating between the sin and the sinner is more often then not pure and simple pedantry. Since a prostitute and a tax collector cannot stop "sinning" then they will not perceive nor feel any difference in your behavior and since they can't feel what you feel since they aren't telepaths the subtleties of your inner feeling toward them will be lost and thus completely irrelevant. If imagined or dreamed crimes aren't real, neither are imagined or dreamed virtues.

The big exception is of course you develop a very close relationship in which there is a shared sense of intimacy and in which such subtleties can come to the fore. Since Jesus was dining with such characters, we can see at least an attempt from him to become intimately friendly with them, but sharing diner, washing feet and hanging around such people doesn't make you intimate with them.

My rejection of Jesus as a man of especially good character, at least in his portrayal in the Gospels, is the fact that its all presented in a very superficial way. Prostitutes and tax collectors are presented in those stories as obviously despicable and detestable people, amongst the worst people to hang around with. For a normal person, it would be a shame to be seen around such company in any friendly way and having a prostitute or tax collector in your direct family is certainly even worst. This despicable nature is important as its used as a device to raises Jesus' character. I personally see this as a blatant and unjust trick. Neither tax collector nor prostitutes, especially prostitutes, should be seen as despicable and detestable. Condemning them is wrong. What is wrong is corruption, or misappropriation and misuse of public wealth; what's wrong is sexism, dire poverty and slavery under which prostitute fall victim off. The parable of Jesus dining with prostitutes and tax collectors is used to raise the character of Jesus, the protagonist, but it in doing so diminishes and harms the dignity of innocent people whose dignity is already attacked unfairly by their own society for no fault of their own; they are scapegoated for larger more complex problems.

Jesus would've considered the cross-dressing pastor as an abomination, and dealt with him the same way that he did with the marketers in the Temple.

 

[DNB]

"Judge not, lest ye be judged"?

"Let he who hath righteousness cast the first stone?"

And, are you a mouthpiece for Christ?

Yes, I try to be an advocate for all that Christ stood for and proclaimed. He would've tossed that cross-dresser out into the streets, and reprimanded everyone in that room for endorsing such an abomination under the guise of his name.

 

[DNB]

You have at it. I'm not thin skinned. And as long as you aren't threatening or disrespectful I have no problem with you.

good, then speaking quite candidly, I think that where your convictions lie, judging by your 'Religion', has a very harmful and sinister aspect about it. I can only see trouble coming from it, either for you or others.

 

[epronovost]

Jesus would've considered the cross-dressing pastor as an abomination, and dealt with him the same way that he did with the marketers in the Temple.

Yes, Jesus would have been against a cross-dresser in the a temple giving sermons, but I'm not so sure about a drag queen though. They are not cross dressers after all. No woman dress like a drag queen, not even close. He would certainly be very puzzled by it all; theatre was not something very common in his culture after all. I'm not sure he would have liked such performance though as it can definitely be perceived as a mockery of religion even if it's an attempt to make it more universalist and entertaining. I supposed we can't be proper mouthpiece for a character who never even brushed on subjects like art or acting.

 

[Viker]

good, then speaking quite candidly, I think that where your convictions lie, judging by your 'Religion', has a very harmful and sinister aspect about it. I can only see trouble coming from it, either for you or others.

The only threat or danger is that if it were to miraculously catch on in the public realm...it could replace yours. Don't worry. It won't do that.

 

[DNB]

Yes, Jesus would have been against a cross-dresser in the a temple giving sermons, but I'm not so sure about a drag queen though. They are not cross dressers after all. No woman dress like a drag queen, not even close. He would certainly be very puzzled by it all; theatre was not something very common in his culture after all.

You're the only theatrical one around here. You have not a clue as to what that you are talking about.

 

[epronovost]

You're the only theatrical one around here. You have not a clue as to what that you are talking about.

Considering you didn't knew what a drag queen was a few moments ago, I would beg to differ. I thought you read about them. I provided you with clear explanations and sources for extra material. I'm starting to wonder if you know anything about women at that rate.

 

[DNB]

The only threat or danger is that if it were to miraculously catch on in the public realm...it could replace yours. Don't worry. It won't do that.

What spirits are you invoking?

 

[DNB]

Considering you didn't knew what a drag queen was a few moments ago, I would beg to differ. I thought you read about them. I provided you with clear explanations and sources for extra material. I'm starting to wonder if you know anything about women at that rate.

I know that I'm wasting time speaking with you, but, in case someone else reads this....
The only oddity around here is that you claim to know so much about such a deranged lifestyle. Maybe comic books would be a more productive and useful reading material for you?

 

[Windwalker]

Get real, quick using the 'no judging' card, you haven't a clue what it means.

Don't I? Perhaps I understand it better than you do.

Every single Christian is obligated to judge what is right and wrong, and who's depraved and who is not.

Have you ever read the entire chapter of Romans 14? You may wish to do that over your prayer time tomorrow morning. Then re-read what you just posted.

The cross-dressing pastor is an abomination in the Church, and in a state of utter mental confusion and disorder.

Is it? According to you? Did you read the article and see why he did? Read Romans 14.

He needs to fix himself and concern himself with his own salvation, which he is in dire need of, before he's put in front of others to try and guide their savific path.

Why is he in dire need of salvation more that you are? Is he condemning you? Is it because of being gay you judge him? Because he cross-dressed for church to make a statement about being freed from the wagging tongues of the self-righteous who put themselves in the place of God in judgement of others?

Christ does not approve of people who violate God's Law.

Deuteronomy 22:5 ESV
“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

Oh my! First of all. Do you have women in your church who wear pants? I was part of a fundamentalists' church that prided themselves as part of the "holiness movement", and they interpreted that verse to mean women should only wear dresses, or at worst, jeans skirts, but below the knees of course. No gold jewelry. No make up. No cutting of their hair - split end trimming was debatable, and so forth. Talk about uptight!!!

Anyway, do you believe that the law of Moses should be read with equal weight and voice as what Jesus taught? If so, can you explain to me why Jesus quoted Moses' law regarding an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, then rejected that, and corrected it, and said, "But I say unto you.... love your enemies, do good to those who harm you," etc? Are you sure about your understanding of the Bible here?

 

[Viker]

What spirits are you invoking?

Recently, I have been invoking from Ars Goetia.

 

[DNB]

Don't I? Perhaps I understand it better than you do.


Have you ever read the entire chapter of Romans 14? You may wish to do that over your prayer time tomorrow morning. Then re-read what you just posted.


Is it? According to you? Did you read the article and see why he did? Read Romans 14.


Why is he in dire need of salvation more that you are? Is he condemning you? Is it because of being gay you judge him? Because he cross-dressed for church to make a statement about being freed from the wagging tongues of the self-righteous who put themselves in the place of God in judgement of others?


Oh my! First of all. Do you have women in your church who wear pants? I was part of a fundamentalists' church that prided themselves as part of the "holiness movement", and they interpreted that verse to mean women should only wear dresses, or at worst, jeans skirts, but below the knees of course. No gold jewelry. No make up. No cutting of their hair - split end trimming was debatable, and so forth. Talk about uptight!!!

Anyway, do you believe that the law of Moses should be read with equal weight and voice as what Jesus taught? If so, can you explain to me why Jesus quoted Moses' law regarding an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, then rejected that, and corrected it, and said, "But I say unto you.... love your enemies, do good to those who harm you," etc? Are you sure about your understanding of the Bible here?

Start judging with God-derived prudence and wisdom. It's better for you and everyone else.

 

[DNB]

Recently, I have been invoking from Ars Goetia.

Is God or Jesus not good-enough or intriguing enough for you? What does the darkness have to do with the light, how can it stand before the light, it will be obliterated.
Am I proselytizing? If so, I am concerned.

 

[Estro Felino]

They are the most impressionable. They are getting steered in the wrong direction from a very early age - the effects will be hard to correct.

Matthew 18:6

The Gospels is my truth.

 

[Viker]

Is God or Jesus not good-enough or intriguing enough for you? What does the darkness have to do with the light, how can it stand before the light, it will be obliterated.
Am I proselytizing? If so, I am concerned.

I've been dealing with Paimon a lot, as usual. I get feed back. It's probably all in my head, isn't it?

The light needs the darkness. They are companions not combatants.

 

[epronovost]

I know that I'm wasting time speaking with you, but, in case someone else reads this....
The only oddity around here is that you claim to know so much about such a deranged lifestyle. Maybe comic books would be a more productive and useful reading material for you?

I'm a history teacher, knowing a lot of things about a lot of stuff, if not in an expert degree, is part of my job. Since I do teach teenagers and young adults about the history of art, the history of African Americans and the history of the LBGTQ community, drag queens frequently come into question since, like you, ignorant teenagers and young adults do see the resemblance between drag queens and transgender people as well as some part of what could be roughly dubbed "gay culture". I'm left perplexed by your dogmatic and absolute disgust over drag queens which leads you to make incorrect amalgamations and feed your anxiety while knowing more could actually allow you to make a more interesting theological and moral argument about this particular event all the while mastering your fear and anxiety. That's one of the big difference between the character of Jesus in the Gospels and you; it's not tolerance or love, it's your relationship to disgust and fear. Jesus always faced his fears and challenged his disgust to see what was beneath, you aren't there yet. It's very difficult and that's probably the greatest credit the Gospel makes to Jesus's character; it wasn't his love, his compassion or his faith; It was his courage and willingness to challenge himself to be better.

 

[MonkeyFire]

I know how you can't tolerate the wicked, but truly I tell you yes you can. Just be believe in pacifism and you stop feeling pain. It takes forbearance, and wisdom helps, but sometimes it comes second nature. Fear drives suffering. You don't get past suffering, without getting past fear. Most people just need to hear God is In Love and He will save you, you can't live without love and faith, let alone belief and hope. If we couldn't have true love w would at best be manically depressed, and literally the all encompassing universe would be hellish. Can you live without love? No. If you have ever been cheated, don't cheat yourself, don't commit sexual immorality and you can be worthy of St. Faithful. If someone important to you cheats you there are two steps, first find out is she being raped in any way, and secondly is she being seduced by temptation? Next, you have to find out, but if she is willing to repent you can grave their flesh and when they enter the Heaven of faith, wish, and belief they will be clean and in motion and they have never cheated before. The first thing you learn is that you made it out of the nest, and got back home, and you will never transgress ever again. <3

 

[sun rise]

Start judging with God-derived prudence and wisdom. It's better for you and everyone else.

I'm working on giving up judging others as God would have me do.

 

[oldbadger]

See, I don't believe in toleration. My religion is the true religion.

So you're a Deist! Brilliant!
There aren't that many here, so one more is great.

But...... most of us are very tolerant.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But, he wasn't telling them to carry on in their ways either, was he. He told the woman caught in adultery to stop sinning. He would not have a blatant sinner among his disciples, until they repented and renounced their former ways.
He would've told the drag-queen to either change, or be cast out.

Where did Jesus ever claim that anyone can cease sinner and that we aren't ever blatant sinners? We did he ever say we could be guiltless?