I'm not baptized. Am i a Christian?

[leibowde84]

Ah. But there is where you will find the apples and oranges paradigm. Jesu, did preach to the poor, etc., however, this is misinterpreted into a belief that Xians can 'help' others by utilizing non-Christ consciousness methods. This is flawed thinking, basically.
That being said, it's another topic as well, so I think I'm going to drop it.

Why is it flawed thinking?

 

[Johnlove]

Seriously? You're going to force me into reporting your posts.

Here is another question you should ask yourself. Am I a disciple of Jesus Christ?


(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”

 

[Desert Snake]

Here is another question you should ask yourself. Am I a disciple of Jesus Christ?


(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”

That is a good question for all people claiming to be Xians, of course. How is this verse rectified?

 

[Johnlove]

That is a good question for all people claiming to be Xians, of course. How is this verse rectified?

(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”


In the above scripture Jesus reminded everyone that to be a disciple/Christian on needs to know that he or she will be required to give everything to God, and let him do what he wants to do with his or her life.


When I was forty years old Jesus asked me to give him my life.


I was about to say yes to Jesus’ request, when the Holy Spirit let me know that I would lose everything owned by me, if I gave my life to Jesus.


Jesus has decided everything done by me for over the last forty years.


I lost everything owned by me, and only have what Jesus lets me have up to this day.

 

[ChristineES]

I'm not baptized. Am I not technically a Christian? Doesn't it state in the Bible that Xians must be baptized? Do you believe that?

Im referring tt the water baptism, of John, in this thread.

There has to be more said than that, in order for us to know if you're a Christian or not, a person can be baptized and still not be a Christian/Follower of Yeshua. I don't believe there is anything in the Bible that states: "You have to be baptized in order to be a disciple" except when Jesus speaks of "baptizing of the Holy Spirit". We always use the example of the thief on the cross: He didn't have time to be baptized. But the fact is, we don't even know that he wasn't baptized by John in the Jordan before he committed his crime.

I think you can still be a Christian, whether you are Baptized or not. Baptism doesn't save us, we believe that Jesus saves us. We also believe that all believers in Jesus will be "baptized by Holy Spirit".
That said, I think that we should be Baptized, if we are physically able to. Edited to add: I voted "Other/explain"
*Note: Keep in mind that this is my opinion, not necessarily a fact.

 

[sojourner]

No one really believes poured water is baptism. Water immersion pictures the death of the baptized one. A person can only be raised with Christ if he or she dies as Christ dies. Being rained on just means getting wet.

Of course people really believe that! being dunked just means "taking a bath." Jesus didn't drown. if we want to die "like him," we have to be crucified.

 

[sojourner]

You're going to Hell because you evolved, you weren't created in God's image. We, the disabled, were. You belong with Satan , your Father, In Hell.

This makes 0 sense.

 

[idea]

Could be..however, one could make an argument that the baptism is just as likely to be used as sort of a crutch for wishy washy Xians, as well. I suspect that there isn't one perspective as to relates to baptism, going on here.

There will always be as many perspectives as there are people. Baptism involves a personal covenant. The depth of the ordinance is what you personally make of it.

 

[savagewind]

Of course people really believe that! being dunked just means "taking a bath." Jesus didn't drown. if we want to die "like him," we have to be crucified.

OK. It is symbolic.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

You may be a follower of Christ and worship God.
but you would not be a member of any Christian Church.

 

[ChristineES]

You may be a follower of Christ and worship God.
but you would not be a member of any Christian Church.

I forgot that one.

 

[sojourner]

OK. It is symbolic.

It's sacramental.

 

[Desert Snake]

You may be a follower of Christ and worship God.
but you would not be a member of any Christian Church.

That's a good thing, right?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

That's a good thing, right?

It is rather like turning up at a club but not paying your membership or contributing. in any way.

They welcome you and offer their hospitality, share God's love with you, but you chose to stand apart.
Baptism brings you into the family of God.

 

[Desert Snake]

It is rather like turning up at a club but not paying your membership or contributing. in any way.

They welcome you and offer their hospitality, share God's love with you, but you chose to stand apart.
Baptism brings you into the family of God.

I don't think so; I think that baptism is a ceremony that one does when they join a church. its' just symbolic

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I don't think so; I think that baptism is a ceremony that one does when they join a church. its' just symbolic

It is Certainly not symbolic in any of the churches that I know.
vows are not symbolic
it is one of the few sacrements ordained by Christ.
baptism involves God Jesus And the Holy spirit
In Some of the Older churches it is done in the form of Chrismation
with both water baptism and the anointing with oil.
This is the case with some Anglican Churches and all Orthodox ones.
Baptism should not be taken lightly.
To be accepted as a member of a church you must be baptised.
Though most will allow the unbaptised to attend services and worship, but not take the Eucharist.
No can they hold any official office.

 

[Desert Snake]

It is Certainly not symbolic in any of the churches that I know.
vows are not symbolic
it is one of the few sacrements ordained by Christ.
baptism involves God Jesus And the Holy spirit
In Some of the Older churches it is done in the form of Chrismation
with both water baptism and the anointing with oil.
This is the case with some Anglican Churches and all Orthodox ones.
Baptism should not be taken lightly.
To be accepted as a member of a church you must be baptised.
Though most will allow the unbaptised to attend services and worship, but not take the Eucharist.
No can they hold any official office.

It's Johns baptism. There is no evidence that Jesus always even shows up for that. Magic is not a part of real Xian faith. Judaism has the ''mikveh'', Johns baptism is clearly a type of Mikveh, and it was meant for washing away sins, not salvation. Paul asked people, if they had been baptized by water, they said yes, then Paul proceeds to give them the real baptism of the Spirit, which was without water at all.
Having your own beliefs is fine, but this stuff is actually important to some people who might be joining the faith, the Scripture explicitly does not combine the baptism of water with the baptism of Spirit, it EXPLICITLY separates them.

 

[ChristineES]

There is one thing that always stands out to me: Yeshua was baptized. I think that is one of the main reasons I think that we should be baptized. It's as simple as that.

 

[Desert Snake]

There is one thing that always stands out to me: Yeshua was baptized. I think that is one of the main reasons I think that we should be baptized. It's as simple as that.

I don't have a problem with Johns baptism. However, I know what it isn't, and what it isn't, is the baptism by Jesus, of the Spirit.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It's Johns baptism. There is no evidence that Jesus always even shows up for that. Magic is not a part of real Xian faith. Judaism has the ''mikveh'', Johns baptism is clearly a type of Mikveh, and it was meant for washing away sins, not salvation. Paul asked people, if they had been baptized by water, they said yes, then Paul proceeds to give them the real baptism of the Spirit, which was without water at all.
Having your own beliefs is fine, but this stuff is actually important to some people who might be joining the faith, the Scripture explicitly does not combine the baptism of water with the baptism of Spirit, it EXPLICITLY separates them.

Read the Didache ... No mention of sins...
The baptism was an intimate part of Judeo-Christianity from the start.