Important notice to everyone

[The Transcended Omniverse]

You might have noticed that I have been making nothing but philosophical hedonistic topics. This is because I am trying to come up with the perfect explanation that conveys my worldview. I have struggled with depression/misery in my life and it has led me to this worldview. It is not just some hedonistic worldview. There is something very distinct about it and I am just trying to find a way to convey this. I wish to convey my worldview in such a way that others finally understand me and my views rather than scoffing at me, name calling me, judging me, etc. So, with all of this being said, I do believe I have finally come up with the perfect explanation that conveys my worldview. However, I will need to present it in a separate post here since this notice is very important and other people might overlook/ignore it if I were to present a whole bunch of information here.

 

[Laika]

You might have noticed that I have been making nothing but philosophical hedonistic topics. This is because I am trying to come up with the perfect explanation that conveys my worldview. I have struggled with depression/misery in my life and it has led me to this worldview. It is not just some hedonistic worldview. There is something very distinct about it and I am just trying to find a way to convey this. I wish to convey my worldview in such a way that others finally understand me and my views rather than scoffing at me, name calling me, judging me, etc. So, with all of this being said, I do believe I have finally come up with the perfect explanation that conveys my worldview. However, I will need to present it in a separate post here since this notice is very important and other people might overlook/ignore it if I were to present a whole bunch of information here.

hey there,

I've suffered from depression for almost a decade, so I understand what your going through. there are quite a few people on the forums who suffer from depression so you're definitely not alone here.

its important to find your path and know there is hope of actually being happy and fulfilled in life rather than living under a dark cloud. trying to form a worldview as a map to achieving it can be very helpful in the long-run and it helps to be flexible to try and find as many options as you can. I sort of learned to settle with what makes me happy rather than trying for perfection as there is never a final destination in our beliefs. our beliefs change as we change so they keep on evolving as we go. Its a long hard struggle with depression and occasionally it feels good to know there are people out there you can rely on to support you and keep you going through the rough times. sometimes its simply just to get stuff off your chest and get it out into the open so it doesn't feel like its dragging you down. So best of luck with your journey. you will get there eventually.

As your trying to explain and clarify you're worldview, it may be worth starting a thread in the Journal Sub-forum given it could take up a lot of space. You can then re-use it and people can discuss your ideas and experiences with you. I think people tend be less adversarial in there because they recognise its more personal and sensitive. so it may be better in the long-run.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You might have noticed that I have been making nothing but philosophical hedonistic topics. This is because I am trying to come up with the perfect explanation that conveys my worldview. I have struggled with depression/misery in my life and it has led me to this worldview. It is not just some hedonistic worldview. There is something very distinct about it and I am just trying to find a way to convey this. I wish to convey my worldview in such a way that others finally understand me and my views rather than scoffing at me, name calling me, judging me, etc. So, with all of this being said, I do believe I have finally come up with the perfect explanation that conveys my worldview. However, I will need to present it in a separate post here since this notice is very important and other people might overlook/ignore it if I were to present a whole bunch of information here.

I would suggest discussion forums not debates. Maybe journal's here.

Best wishes.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

I am going to express what's on my mind in regards to how I see a depressed life. I will present it in the form of a hypothesis/philosophy as well as a brief explanation:

Hypothesis/Philosophy: Our good moods/feelings (which I define as the states of well being induced by the various feel-good neurotransmitters/chemicals in the brain) are the only things that can give our lives a real perceptual quality (experience) of good value, worth, joy, beauty, love, inspiration, and happiness. A person cannot become perceptually aware of these qualities without his/her good moods/feelings since, again, our good moods/feelings are the perceptual awareness of these qualities. You could, in a way, consider our good moods/feelings to be a divine spiritual light to our lives, so to speak. This divine light engulfs us and puts us in a divine state of awareness where we become truly aware of all those aforementioned qualities.

But when this divine state of conscious awareness is taken away from us, we can no longer experience (become aware) of these qualities of good value, worth, joy, beauty, and happiness in our lives. Now, when I say that these good moods/feelings sustain this perceptual quality of good value/worth in our lives, this perceptual quality is not a thought/outlook at all. As I said before, thoughts/outlooks alone do not give us this perceptual quality in our lives. This means that our good moods/feelings do not have some sort of mind control effect where they force us to perceive through our thinking that our lives have good value/worth to us. Rather, the good moods/feelings themselves are an actual awareness of good value/worth in our lives. Like I said earlier, I metaphorically described it as some sort of divine transcended awareness. When I say awareness, I mean something like sight. Sight is the perceptual awareness of visualizing objects just as how our good moods/feelings are the perceptual awareness of good value/worth in our lives.

Brief Explanation: You see, I do not have these happy chemicals at all during my moments of traumatic induced misery/despair. Nothing I do can produce even the smallest amount of these happy chemicals. This is because my brain is in a completely traumatized state and, thus, all these chemicals are turned off. It is only once I reach a state of full recovery that these chemicals get turned back on, restoring my perceptual experience of good value, worth, joy, and beauty back into my life again. That is where my whole theory/philosophy was getting at. I was saying that it can only be the good moods/feelings (the happy chemical induced states of well being) that can give our lives the perceptual quality of good value/worth. But many people out there say you don't need these happy chemicals and that there are other ways to perceive your life as having good value/worth and happiness to you anyway. Like I said, I disagree with this perceptual standard of good value/worth and happiness. I think it is fake and doesn't give a person's life any real perceptual experience of good value/worth. I instead agree with the "divine light" standard I talked about above (i.e. the good mood/feeling standard).

Thinking and believing that you can see the good value/worth in your life is not the same thing as actually seeing it just as how a blind person thinking and believing he/she can see is not the same thing as actual sight. You need actual sight to see just as how you need your good moods/feelings to truly see the good value/worth in your life. Everything in my life is completely dead, miserable, the worst hell, and insignificant in these miserable states. I do not agree that this is simply a matter of value judgment on my part judging this miserable life as hell, lacking of good value/worth, etc. I truly think it is the feel-good chemicals being restored and my misery recovering that restores my perceptual experience of good value, worth, and happiness in my life just as how a blind person is able to recover and see again. There are, for example, people who have taken antidepressants which have completely wiped out these chemicals. They report that they are in a completely blank state as though a hard drive has been completely wiped clean. From there, friends, family, and others would just give the recommendation to this person that he/she can still perceive good value/worth in his/her life through making the best of things anyway and through judging his/her life as good/worthwhile to him/her anyway. I disagree with this. I think it is all a lie and that we truly need our good moods/feelings.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

Here is the brief summary:

I think people need their good moods/feelings (their feel-good chemical/neurotransmitter induced states of well being) to allow them to perceive (see) the good value, joy, beauty, happiness, love, and worth in their lives. I don't think our way of thinking, our outlooks, actions, and our value judgments alone allow us to truly see these qualities. I don't think we can experience any of these qualities without our good moods/feelings. I would like to add one last thing here. That is, this view of mine has been an issue for me and I wish to talk it out if you don't mind.

 

[LukeS]

I like the phenomenologist Husserls idea of value, values are constituted via feelings. I never read his work directly, but I guess lets say yore in love or feeling hungry - the value of the beloved or the value of food, as it appears in experience, is directly tied to these moods and drives. That is one of the starting points for my ethical system too. The fact / value divide is illusory, because feelings are facts.

One psychologist argued we strive for things we feel we lack, be that education, looks, friends etc. So your hedonism may be a response to anhedonia, a lack of pleasure. People who are manic, or have higher natural levels of pleasure because of their hormonal settings, they may find direction in other needs.

As for judging that idea of ought implies can may help. If your efforts are limited there less of a duty.If youre ill and want to be happy that's a normal desire, but the difficulty makes the duty less pressing. Even if subjectively it still matters in a close way - which is quite normal and self interestedly rational too.