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In flux again (a bit long)

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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So as not to re-invent the wheel, this is almost word for word what I wrote to another member, but I'm adding some additional thoughts.

It seems I'm in flux again not so much about beliefs (though it's there), but practice. I am a polytheist, through and through. I just haven't decided how much of a polytheist I am. That is, soft, medium, firm or hard. I know, it sounds like a pillow or cheese. :D Though I lean towards semi-firm. The question about beliefs is between panentheism and pantheism. That one little 'en' syllable makes a world of difference. However, I lean towards panentheism.

When I stopped practicing Hinduism, it was for reasons that I'm not entirely sure were valid or genuine. I could go into them here, or not. I think I'd rather not, unless absolutely necessary, to shed light. However, I can say why I adopted Ásatrú, and I think it was also for not entirely valid or sufficient reasons. I always suspected my family had at least some Northern European blood, despite being Italian and Sicilian for at least several centuries. I did a personal DNA test (which I almost regret doing) and found we do indeed have some ancient Northern European DNA. I may have forced myself to hear a call to the Northern Traditions that maybe I didn't really hear.

Anyway, I've never really forgotten or pushed away the Hindu Gods. I could just never bring myself to pack them away. Surprising as this may seem, I actually kind of miss going to the temple. Oh I could probably still go without pissing off any deity, either Hindu or Norse. I suppose I never packed away my little murtis for a reason. I still have them in a "sort-of" shrine. It's just a small table against a wall with framed pics, the murtis on the table, an oil lamp and an incense holder.

At this point it's more a display of objets d'art than a shrine, since I don't actually worship there. But if I did, I would. Wait, huh? o_O

Altar May 2016.JPG


I ranted in another thread about internet Heathens and the number of times I hear "you're doing it wrong" and "the Gods don't care about you". That is, they interact only with groups, i.e. "tribes", "kindreds". But I wonder if they are right that the Norse Gods don't listen to or interact with us as individuals. It may very well be their "thew" to not form personal relationships with mortals, unlike Gods of other pantheons, especially Hindu (technically today thew means muscular strength, but the original Old English meaning is custom, ways, practices).

I love Thor and I feel his presence, but I'm not really feeling a connection to the other gods. Maybe I should have coasted in neutral for a while and stopped all worship. The problem is I was getting too caught up in the philosophies, arguments, "do's and don'ts" and what I called superstitions in Hinduism, having to read everything ever printed. Quite honestly it's some of the conversations I saw in the Hinduism DIR that I put too much stock into. I probably should have remained a "village Hindu" (I think that's the term), forgetting about the philosophies and esoterics, and stopped listening to and reading all the internet pundits and just been a bhakta (of whom, I don't know... I tend to collect deities :rolleyes:). Actually I was (and still am) drawn to the forms of Harihara and Tridevi.

Well, thanks for listening, and if you have anything to add, please have at it.

So here goes, I'm hitting Create Thread.
 

StarryNightshade

Spiritually confused Jew
Premium Member
It seems I've caused a chain reaction. :p

I totally get you. In addition to studying High Church Christianity, I feel a pull towards Shaktism and back towards Mahayana Buddhism. I really envy people who can settle on a path and stick with it.

Maybe deep down I'm also a Village Hindu, but with devotional Buddhist influence and who likes the smells and bells of Anglo-Catholicism. :D
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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I really envy people who can settle on a path and stick with it.

I hear you, and I don't know what it is in my case. I'm an explorer and a collector. Maybe my OCPD has something to do with it. I also fell into the trap of feeling the need to pray to, worship and have representations of every deity. I'm largely getting away from that. Even though that shrine looks busy, it's really not that big. The table top is about 24x21". I could even make it 24x18". The pictures are 8x10s. Less is more. I have a bit of thinking and meditating to do on this but I think I know the direction I'm going with. I might take a trip to the temple soon to see what hits me.
 

Mindmaster

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Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it. Some people are accidental polytheists with Gods and Goddesses from several pantheons. I like certain Greek gods in a meaningful way, but I am also into many Celtic ones. There is nothing saying you have to choose between them, go with what calls to you and enjoy it. It'll probably drive other people nuts, but who cares? :) I had the same problem myself leaving Satanism behind me... I was trying to convince myself that I had some old feelings still for it, and really I don't. I've been doing better every single day that I've left it.
 

Chakra

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Well, if you listen to the comments of others, you'll definitely start doubting yourself. I have many atheist friends, and each day I question why I'm still a theist. But then when I reflect intensely I remember why I chose Hinduism: the colorful culture, the intriguing philosophy, the rad gods etc. I would suggest to go back to the reasons that made you choose Asatru in the first place and reflect on them without listening to others. Of course, if you personally feel a desire to devote more time to Hinduism, then do that. Peer pressure is a really bad thing.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Well, if you listen to the comments of others, you'll definitely start doubting yourself. I have many atheist friends, and each day I question why I'm still a theist.

That's it right there. Too many people have too much to say. Some of us try to listen to them all. Hence conflict.

But then when I reflect intensely I remember why I chose Hinduism: the colorful culture, the intriguing philosophy, the rad gods etc. I would suggest to go back to the reasons that made you choose Asatru in the first place and reflect on them without listening to others. Of course, if you personally feel a desire to devote more time to Hinduism, then do that. Peer pressure is a really bad thing.

What I am doing is weighing the reasons why I feel closer to one over the other. Hinduism is winning. Since I was in my teens I felt a draw towards Hindu philosophy in its many aspects, and Indian culture.I came very close to going to temple this morning for the Mother's Day Mahalakshmi Puja. I happened to go to the temple website and saw the announcement. Today's reason or excuse was bad pain in my back, and being loopy from having to take my pain med. I was very disappointed I could not go. What does that tell you? ;)
 

Chakra

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That's it right there. Too many people have too much to say. Some of us try to listen to them all. Hence conflict.



What I am doing is weighing the reasons why I feel closer to one over the other. Hinduism is winning. Since I was in my teens I felt a draw towards Hindu philosophy in its many aspects, and Indian culture.I came very close to going to temple this morning for the Mother's Day Mahalakshmi Puja. I happened to go to the temple website and saw the announcement. Today's reason or excuse was bad pain in my back, and being loopy from having to take my pain med. I was very disappointed I could not go. What does that tell you? ;)
I understand. Weren't you sort of a Hindu before anyway, since you still worshiped Hindu dieties? What's going to change now?
 

Jainarayan

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I understand. Weren't you sort of a Hindu before anyway, since you still worshiped Hindu dieties? What's going to change now?

Oh I was a card-carrying temple-attending puja-performing dhoti-wearing Hindu, minus being vegetarian (I know it's not required but is a goal and ideal to strive for).

What would change this go-round? Not getting hung up on philosophy, minutiae and details, and what I called 'superstition'. See this for an example:

Garud Purana it is stated: All those people of evil argumentative mentality who say why to wear Tulsi beads, what results are attained by wearing them, and don't wear Tulsi beads around their neck, burn in the fire of anger of Sri Hari and will never get liberated from hell.
http://www.bvml.org/SBKSGM/wtbatn.html

Or things like an Ekadashi fast is completely worthless and Lord Vishnu would not accept the fast if you didn't break it with grains within the time window.

Yes, believe it or not I got hung up on that sort of thing, and too much more.
 

Chakra

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Oh I was a card-carrying temple-attending puja-performing dhoti-wearing Hindu, minus being vegetarian (I know it's not required but is a goal and ideal to strive for).

What would change this go-round? Not getting hung up on philosophy, minutiae and details, and what I called 'superstition'. See this for an example:

http://www.bvml.org/SBKSGM/wtbatn.html

Or things like an Ekadashi fast is completely worthless and Lord Vishnu would not accept the fast if you didn't break it with grains within the time window.

Yes, believe it or not I got hung up on that sort of thing, and too much more.
Well, this superstition actually has a name: atharvada.

They are exaggerations to encourage the devotee to do whatever activity. It's pretty common actually.

Why do you want to distance yourself from philosophy? I find that a very interesting part of Hinduism.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Well, this superstition actually has a name: atharvada.

They are exaggerations to encourage the devotee to do whatever activity. It's pretty common actually.

Why do you want to distance yourself from philosophy? I find that a very interesting part of Hinduism.

Not distance myself from it, just not get hung up on it... not analyzing it to death. I have OCPD and tend to get analysis-paralysis.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
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Not distance myself from it, just not get hung up on it... not analyzing it to death. I have OCPD and tend to get analysis-paralysis.

My personal take it's just experience. The 'new' at a lot of things are that way ... analytical, excited easily, literal, provocative. But once you've been around the block about 27 times, there is very little to get excited about. Even then, even old blokes can slip up now and then, and forget the bigger picture.
 

Jainarayan

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My personal take it's just experience. The 'new' at a lot of things are that way ... analytical, excited easily, literal, provocative. But once you've been around the block about 27 times, there is very little to get excited about. Even then, even old blokes can slip up now and then, and forget the bigger picture.

You know, I thought about that myself. Looking back, what I thought was drifting away should have just been tossing beliefs and practices that were "clutter" and even contradictory. But it turned into throwing away the baby with the bath water.
 

Jainarayan

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I thought you were taking a sabbatical. Yes, a break to help us see the forest for the trees.
 

Chakra

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A vow ... Tamil New Year to Tamil New Year. Maybe I can be less petty this time around. Trying, anyway.
Just asking, but are you fluent in Tamil? How did you learn it? I'm trying to learn it too as our sampradayas are both rooted in Tamil Nadu.
 
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