In the Beginning...of What?

[sandy whitelinger]

I'm looking right at the verse and it says "heavens" in the NKJV.

NKJV is wrong.

 

[RedDragon94]

NKJV is wrong.

ESV says "heavens".

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I'm looking right at the verse and it says "heavens" in the NKJV.

Here's the gist of it. All versions speak of three heavens. Only the KJV describes them and their formation properly and in order.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

ESV says "heavens".

Ditto

 

[dfnj]

ESV says "heavens".

All the King James versions are wrong. I just can't accept the God's chosen from of government just happens to be the same as the preferred government of King James, that is, feudalistic monarchy. You would think an omnipotent all-powerful all-loving God would choose a form of government that is just a wee bit more egalitarian than authoritarian. But maybe that's just me putting too much faith in a God of unconditional love.

 

[dfnj]

An omnipotent God can create the Universe in any amount of time including all the fake carbon dating and fossil evidence in place. An omnipotent God could have created the Universe just a moment ago with just before you read this post with all your memories implanted.

When it comes to scripture and "In the beginning", once you accept your God has omnipotent powers, you might as well just let the creative juices flow through the pen!

 

[RedDragon94]

Here's the gist of it. All versions speak of three heavens. Only the KJB describes them and their formation properly and in order.

Okay, so, how does that coincide with what you said about there being a mistake in the Scripture? The word at the beginning of both chapters is shawmayim.

 

[RedDragon94]

All the King James versions are wrong. I just can't accept the God's chosen from of government just happens to be the same as the preferred government of King James, that is, feudalistic monarchy.

Maybe that was just the most common form of government then. God is friend to me. In the same way Abraham was a friend of God.

 

[dfnj]

I still think the creation text may be referring to the actual creation of the first Bible. Without the written word to provide a sense of history, then prior to the written word, nothing existed. Once the written word comes into existence, the Universe, God, the heavens and Earth then become real because they exist in words. The word "God" sometimes means "Father" or in this case the original authors of the creation myth. I think it may be more than just coincidence the age of the earliest Bible and the known origin of writing are all about the same time. The 6000 year old time frame corresponds pretty closely to the origin of the Bible and writing. I think these are all related. When they say created the Earth they literally mean created the word "Earth" and wrote it down in the Bible creation story.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

All the King James versions are wrong. I just can't accept the God's chosen from of government just happens to be the same as the preferred government of King James, that is, feudalistic monarchy. You would think an omnipotent all-powerful all-loving God would choose a form of government that is just a wee bit more egalitarian than authoritarian. But maybe that's just me putting too much faith in a God of unconditional love.

Im just try n to get the gist of the beginning of the Bible. Sheesh, no harm intended, but you're zoom n me all over the galaxy.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I still think the creation text may be referring to the actual creation of the first Bible. Without the written word to provide a sense of history, then prior to the written word, nothing existed. Once the written word comes into existence, the Universe, God, the heavens and Earth then become real because they exist in words. The word "God" sometimes means "Father" or in this case the original authors of the creation myth. I think it may be more than just coincidence the age of the earliest Bible and the known origin of writing are all about the same time. The 6000 year old time frame corresponds pretty closely to the origin of the Bible and writing. I think these are all related. When they say created the Earth they literally mean created the word "Earth" and wrote it down in the Bible creation story.

This seems like a mental construct.

 

[dfnj]

This seems like a mental construct.

That's it. I spend 10 minutes laboring over making complete sentences and all you have to say is six words. God damn it! Just kidding. No damn it. You people are too sensitive. Christ, I even did some google searches to confirm the BC dates.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

That's it. I spend 10 minutes laboring over making complete sentences and all you have to say is six words. God damn it! Just kidding. No damn it. You people are too sensitive. Christ, I even did some google searches to confirm the BC dates.

Blase Pascall was credited with saying, "I have made this longer than usual because I have not had time to make it shorter. " *I googled that.

Ok, I'll play along. It's -10° and I'm bored. So, in the beginning was the word. So the first thing the written after that was it did something meaningless and void.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

All the King James versions are wrong. I just can't accept the God's chosen from of government just happens to be the same as the preferred government of King James, that is, feudalistic monarchy. You would think an omnipotent all-powerful all-loving God would choose a form of government that is just a wee bit more egalitarian than authoritarian. But maybe that's just me putting too much faith in a God of unconditional love.

Since you're discussing much further in this script, long after the Biblical world departed the natural world, anyhow. God only wished rule by fiat. He only gave us what we asked for after a time. Damaged government to rule a damaged people in a dualistic universe.

 

[shunyadragon]

I wasn't aware that Aristotle wrote any Bible.

Never claimed that, and of course nobody else did either, sarcasm noted.

The cosmology of Genesis is that described by Aristotle with the earth at the center. It was the commonly held view of the cosmos even before Aristotle.

 

[Faithofchristian]

it means in the begining. Based on genisis 1. There you go.

The story is all about the fall of man.. The remainder is to set the stage. So you are focused on the opening pan shot and there is no dialog as of yet. That's the specific of this story.

Creationism is totally lost in the pan shot.

In the beginning means exactly what it means.
In Genesis 1:1, it's taking us back to a time way before this world that we live in came to be.
Back when the earth and heaven first came to be.
Back during the world of the dinosaurs. A time of over a Millions to Billions of years ago.
So in the beginning is in reference to that world that then was.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Never claimed that, and of course nobody else did either, sarcasm noted.

The cosmology of Genesis is that described by Aristotle with the earth at the center. It was the commonly held view of the cosmos even before Aristotle.

Yet the KJV describes the heaven where God is, the firmament of heaven where the celestial bodies are and the open firmament of heaven where the birds fly. Sound's pretty accurate view of today's universe. Except, where the hell is heaven?

 

[shunyadragon]

Yet the LUV describes the heaven where God is, the firmament of heaven where the celestial bodies are and the open firmament of heaven where the birds fly. Sound's pretty accurate view of today's universe. Except, where the hell is heaven?

Read the account more carefully and no the description does not represent the contemporary cosmology of science. For example; the heavens where God is no longer exists, neither does a heaven and hell exist in modern cosmology.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

In the beginning means exactly what it means.
In Genesis 1:1, it's taking us back to a time way before this world that we live in came to be.
Back when the earth and heaven first came to be.
Back during the world of the dinosaurs. A time of over a Millions to Billions of years ago.
So in the beginning is in reference to that world that then was.

Cool. So the world that then was. Where's heaven?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Read the account more carefully and no the description does not represent the contemporary cosmology of science. For example; the heavens where God is no longer exists, neither does a heaven and hell exist in modern cosmology.

Authoritative statements. Let's take, "...the heavens where God is no longer exists. So it did exist then.