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In the Beginning...

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
...God created the heaven and the earth.

Why did He create heaven I wonder. Was He homeless. Why wasn't where He was at good enough? This is assuming that Heaven is God's command center and senior living residence for the saints. Wasn't where He was before He created heaven and earth good enough for us?

*a whacky question but legitimate I think. Inquiring minds want to know.
 

DennisTate

Active Member
...God created the heaven and the earth.

Why did He create heaven I wonder. Was He homeless. Why wasn't where He was at good enough? This is assuming that Heaven is God's command center and senior living residence for the saints. Wasn't where He was before He created heaven and earth good enough for us?

*a whacky question but legitimate I think. Inquiring minds want to know.

Actually.... it is a good question....
because all that existed nearly infinite time ago was fundamental energy.......
that I think are in two forms.......
Super Strings.... and Super Waves.......
and everything that exists in the universe / multiverse is ultimately composed of
Super Strings and Super Waves. that G-d forms into more and more complex......
and less and less energetic forms........

.......(I think)........
and one near death experience saw what these Super Strings and Super Waves look like.....
and behave like.......
and uhhhhhhhhhh......
The Ancient of Days the Father and The Ancient of Days the Mother....(who near death experiencer
Christian Andreason felt was G-d the Mother / The Holy Spirit).......
they grew up in one seriously tough and seriously scary neighbourhood...........
 

DennisTate

Active Member
A near death experiencer saw Super Strings and Super Waves.......
and even G-d didn't want to live there anymore...........


A VISION of HELL Gehenna - HADES - SHEOL. It is Eternal Torment!

Dr. Michael Yeager, on the verge of suicide and with a knife to his wrist a fear hit him which he now recognizes as the fear of God. He dropped his knife and went to his knees and asked the Lord to forgive him of his sins and he gave his life to the Lord.

He was immediately freed from all addictions and was given a desire to tell others about Jesus. What stuck out to me the most is that he said that selfishness is the beginning of being on the pathway to hell. He mentions things like being obsessed with TV watching, sports and anything else we love more than God, as very dangerous and can place us on the wrong path.

One night when in prayer he received a vision of hell and the floor of his room opened up he kept falling down and down in a deep dark hole for miles and miles. It was very real and he could see, touch, smell, feel everything. Fear was filling his whole being.

A wind was blowing from this hole that seemed to be bottomless and the odor was so strong it was sickening. By looking between his feet he could see a distant orange glow. As he approached this orange glow it became bigger and bigger and he then entered a cavern and he was over a huge area of what looked like lava sending flames hundreds of feet into the air. Earth shattering explosions could also be heard. He knew he was still about 10,000 feet above this burning sea and even at that distance the heat was almost too much to bear and it felt like his skin was actually burning off.




The smell was so nauseating that it made him cough and gasp for air but there was none. His ears than began to be filled with a very eerie sound that sounded like humming. This sound was constant and got louder and louder as he approached the lava. God opened his understanding as to what the sound was. The sound was actually human beings screaming in unbelievable agony. He realized that God was showing him a vision of hell.

At about 200 feet above this lake of lava, fire and brimstone, the pain got almost too much to bear. He then saw some objects bobbing up and down in this burning sea of what looked like lava. There were tens of thousands of these objects. These objects were actually human beings bobbing up and down and back and forth. These people were weeping and wailing in extreme agony.

No relief from pain was available to them. Their bodies were burned black in this sea of fire and brimstone. Suddenly he plunged into the lava and it covered him and filled his eyes, nose throat, lungs etc. His eyes felt like they were being consumed out of their sockets and could barely breathe. He finds it difficult to explain the amount of pain he was experiencing. He also knew hell was eternal and no chance of getting out.

He was shown that selfishness is the gateway to hell. Excruciating pain overtook him fully as he was submerged in this sea of fire and brimstone that looked like lava. As he was sucked down into this sea he was in total darkness with no light at all. He was suffocating and could not take a breath but yet he was not dying. When he returned to the surface he realized that he was till intact and his five senses were very much alive.

There were other creatures in the sea of fire that looked like huge worms. They would come to the surface and then disappear and then return to the surface. About 20 feet from him he saw them coming to the surface and they were coming towards him. When they reached him they began boring into him and went inside his body and brain and were coming out of his eyes. They were driving him insane. (where the worm dieth not) There is no end to these things in hell. They are eternal. There is no place to go for any relief. There is no love there. It is totally void of love. An emptiness beyond comprehension enveloped him.

Although there were many, many others there, there were no communications whatsoever. Your memory is also there still with you and you can remember everything that went on in your life, including each time the Gospel was presented to you and you refused.

He then was gripped with an intense thirst. There was no way to quench this thirst. (rich man and Lazarus) If the message of the Gospel is rejected you will be forever tormented in hell like the Bible so clearly says. The voice of God then echoed across the sea of fire and brimstone and lava telling hell to release him and he was returned back to his room. " (Dr. Michael Yeager)

I personally think that there is ultimately zero conflict between true science and scripture........

Dr. Chaim Tejman explains the origin of life.....
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Actually.... it is a good question....
because all that existed nearly infinite time ago was fundamental energy.......
that I think are in two forms.......
Super Strings.... and Super Waves.......
and everything that exists in the universe / multiverse is ultimately composed of
Super Strings and Super Waves. that G-d forms into more and more complex......
and less and less energetic forms........

.......(I think)........
and one near death experience saw what these Super Strings and Super Waves look like.....
and behave like.......
and uhhhhhhhhhh......
The Ancient of Days the Father and The Ancient of Days the Mother....(who near death experiencer
Christian Andreason felt was G-d the Mother / The Holy Spirit).......
they grew up in one seriously tough and seriously scary neighbourhood...........
Now why'd ya go and bring science into a Biblical debate. Now the whole thread is tainted from the get go and all the science nerds are gunna argue.
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
...God created the heaven and the earth.

Why did He create heaven I wonder. Was He homeless. Why wasn't where He was at good enough? This is assuming that Heaven is God's command center and senior living residence for the saints. Wasn't where He was before He created heaven and earth good enough for us?

*a whacky question but legitimate I think. Inquiring minds want to know.

Not whacky at all -

If you want to understand in it the context of Jewish Mysticism -

Ein Sof - Wikipedia

Obviously, The Bible is a drastic oversimplification. Anyway, food for thought.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Nobody has ever seen God except the Son. I believe God created Heaven and Earth and hung a sign in heaven that says "God is Out".
 

DennisTate

Active Member
Now why'd ya go and bring science into a Biblical debate. Now the whole thread is tainted from the get go and all the science nerds are gunna argue.

Ouch....... sorry.....
but...... this could be the catalyst to get some of them looking at scriptures in a whole new light......
I ran into information on the fall of Lucifer.... that puts a whole new angle on what may have happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.... basically.......
Lucifer gets really angry over something.......
and leads a third of his angels in a war to try to destroy what already exists.......
Would that fit with your goals for this discussion?

It fits really well with with Gap Theory......
 

DennisTate

Active Member
Nobody has ever seen God except the Son. I believe God created Heaven and Earth and hung a sign in heaven that says "God is Out".

I could be wrong.... but I think that that statement about no "man" has ever seen G-d......
can give the wrong impression because our soul.... is somewhat unique and different by definition from us as a man..........

Dr. George Ritchie in his near death experience saw several higher invisible dimensions of space - time.... four of them at least........

John 1:18

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

By definition... the Jewish Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday..... which is a symbol for our deaths......
and the Sabbath ends at sunset on Saturday.......

There seems to be some pretty serious symbolism in how... by definition......
when our soul leaves our body...... that lifetime is over.......
and there is a part of us that moves on into a heaven or a hell... but there is another part of us..... kind of like an over soul... that existed long before we were conceived.... that in a way observes and is teaching and guiding the man....... to higher and higher levels....... and the process can be a little.... or a lot .... rough.......
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Ouch....... sorry.....
but...... this could be the catalyst to get some of them looking at scriptures in a whole new light......
I ran into information on the fall of Lucifer.... that puts a whole new angle on what may have happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.... basically.......
Lucifer gets really angry over something.......
and leads a third of his angels in a war to try to destroy what already exists.......
Would that fit with your goals for this discussion?

It fits really well with with Gap Theory......
GAP THEORY!!!!! Now you've done it. I might as well delete the thread.
 

DennisTate

Active Member
GAP THEORY!!!!! Now you've done it. I might as well delete the thread.

You got me inspired and I started one on that.... in this very forum......
so hopefully your discussion can be salvaged.........

maybe you could pop in there and write something that will lure them over there almost permanently?????
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
You got me inspired and I started one on that.... in this very forum......
so hopefully your discussion can be salvaged.........

maybe you could pop in there and write something that will lure them over there almost permanently?????
I was trying do just the opposite. I want to write something to scare them off this thread. I don't care where they go after that. You're welcome to them. Just remember, participation is nonmandatory resistance is futile.
 
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sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
...God created the heaven and the earth.

Why did He create heaven I wonder. Was He homeless. Why wasn't where He was at good enough? This is assuming that Heaven is God's command center and senior living residence for the saints. Wasn't where He was before He created heaven and earth good enough for us?

*a whacky question but legitimate I think. Inquiring minds want to know.
Maybe it's more about the sky/stars etc.
 
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