Incitement of Insurrection. Is Trump guilty of his? Will he be impeached for it?
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Incitement of Insurrection.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It would have to be proven that Trump would have intent to storm the capital in that manner i think.
The impeachment process doesn't require such proof.
The standard is very different from a criminal trial, with
standards of judgement being looser & including politics.
There needn't even be any crime committed.
There are anonymous leaks about Trump being gleeful watching the violence and chaos, and refusing to send in the nationals guard. If this is true and the witnesses come forward that would be evidence of his intentions.
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It would have to be the fastest impeachment and trial ever. Though these are not usual times. We will see.
And as we know Trump never settles when it comes to lawsuits
so he may beat them to the punch and resign before this happens.
In criminal law, incitement is the encouragement of another person to commit a crime.
Incitement - Wikipedia
There's a lot more to it including defense against being convicted of that crime, but that definition is the basis and start.
Incitement - Wikipedia
There's a lot more to it including defense against being convicted of that crime, but that definition is the basis and start.
Links?
They appointed a Supreme Court judge in a week. They could do this if they want to.It would have to be the fastest impeachment and trial ever. Though these are not usual times. We will see.
And as we know Trump never settles when it comes to lawsuits
Good question. I saw reports they were in a great mood and celebrating before the actual riot started but not during the riot itself.
Trump nearly got Pence hanged?
A Reuters photographer says he overheard pro-Trump insurrectionists saying they wanted to hang Mike Pence at the Capitol
A Reuters photographer says he overheard pro-Trump insurrectionists saying they wanted to hang Mike Pence at the Capitol
Official describes the president as a 'total monster' who refused to act as Congress was stormed
If you find this insufficient, bear in mind this is very fresh More information may come, or it may not.
First, here's a question for you. Assuming (in much the same manner as 'assuming' the sun is up at noon) Trump is guilty of incitement to insurrection, can America as a nation muster the political will to anything about it? I mean, of course, anything that is likely to seriously hamper or prevent future demagogues from inciting people to insurrection using Trump's playbook?
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I do believe Trump will be impeached, being the only President impeached twice (and in one term). What the Senate will do will depend on what Trump does next. Trump could continue to act against the nation and leave the Senate with no choice.
But there is no one thing you can do that will protect you from future “Trumps”. It will always be a constant struggle.
The Republican Governor of Maryland held a press conference to describe Maryland's response to the events of Wednesday during which he divulged that,. when he requested authorization from the Secretary of Defense to send National Guard troops to the Capitol, there was a one and a half hour delay before he was given authorization. When it did at last come, he said it came through an unorthodox channel. The reason for the delay was not explained to him, and he refused to personally speculate what it might be. The Maryland National Guard was the first on the scene.
There are unconfirmed accounts that the five separate authorizations to five states to deploy National Guard troops to the Capitol were given by Vice President Pence, rather than by President Trump.
It's an issue that needs to be investigated and gotten to the bottom of in order to find out what happened. The most important question here is why was there any delay at all?
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
To quote Mitt Romney:
“We gather today due to a selfish man’s injured pride and the outrage of his supporters whom he has deliberately misinformed for the past two months and stirred to action this very morning. What happened here today was an insurrection, incited by the President of the United States. Those who choose to continue to support his dangerous gambit by objecting to the results of a legitimate, democratic election will forever be seen as being complicit in an unprecedented attack against our democracy. They will be remembered for their role in this shameful episode in American history. That will be their legacy."
And this just hit the news about an hour ago:
Read: House Democrats' draft of a new article of impeachment against Trump
(tldr: it says Trump willfully made statements that encouraged imminent lawless action at the Capitol).
Again, do we have as a nation the political will for it?
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The Democrats are going ahead with drafting articles of impeachment. I thought not, but I could be wrong.
They will need the cooperation of the Republicans in the Senate for their actions to be more than symbolic.